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Nope, but he was as distant from the situation as anyone else here.
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With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Why exactly go up Everest in a group at all, if 'nobody carries any spares?'Comment
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I think what you all are missing is that they made a choice. The could have either finished their quest to the top, or abandoned it, and helped the man. They decided reaching the summit was more important than the man's life, so he died. It's not like they could have helped him that day and gone up the next. If they had helped him, it would have been over for them."Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
"I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."Comment
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BS. Did you read the radio quote ?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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Leaving dying climbers on mountains is usance among themselves. A guy in Holland made a documentary of him going up the Everest, and he encounters the same issue: A guy is dying while he takes refuge in his tent to spend the night. The climber faced much critisism for his (in)action. Many argued he could at least held the dying man's hand or something if indeed the victim was beyond salvage.
Mountaineering is a very selfish enterprise, and the dance with death is a great trigger for many participants. Every climber going up the Everest or other big mountain knows very well there is a big chance they will suffer bad injuries or death.
It takes a big team to get up a high top. It's not uncommon that even teammates leave eachother behind: it's each for his own.
And last but not least, there is money involved. Big money. That's money that can't be squandered on futile operations.
Mountaineering is crazyness."post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
"I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller
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Q - Why try to save that man?
A - Because he's there.What?Comment
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I think what you all are missing is that they made a choice.
Nope, no one is missing that. But then again, saying sign this contract or I blow your brains out is also 'making a choice'.
And the fact that he was considered to be beyond saving may have also factored into the decision.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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but Apolytoners, despite their lack of real world experience in a certain areas, know everything, both technical and moral!
HE HAD TO BE SAVED!Resident Filipina Lady Boy Expert.Comment
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It's not an issue of saving him, it's an issue of trying to save him, even if the chances for succes are slight. If taking him back would have certainly endangered their own lives, then it'd been fair to leave the guy behind. But if they left him behind because "he was good as dead anyway", then I'm having issues with it. The problem is that it's questionable that the decision they made wasn't influenced by their desire to reach the top.
BTW, I haven't been chiding anyone so far. I do have been asking questions.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Okay imran, so I pass a man on the way up the mountain, and I can either help him, and not make it to the top, or continue on and just tell everyone he was as good as dead anyway. I'm guessing that a) he isn't a doctor and b) that's what anyone is going to say if their own selfishness prevents them from helping someone else."Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
"I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."Comment
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Yeah, because the slopes of Everest is just as safe and conducive to survival as your front lawn... we all need a doctor to know that someone who has been without oxygen and gloves lying close to the summit of Everest isn't going to make it.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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I would not need a doctor to know that he will certainly die if i don't try to help him.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yeah, because the slopes of Everest is just as safe and conducive to survival as your front lawn... we all need a doctor to know that someone who has been without oxygen and gloves lying close to the summit of Everest isn't going to make it.What?Comment
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He was 1000ft below the summit. Obviously he had his own oxygen, it seems to have malfunctioned.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yeah, because the slopes of Everest is just as safe and conducive to survival as your front lawn... we all need a doctor to know that someone who has been without oxygen and gloves lying close to the summit of Everest isn't going to make it.Comment
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Likewise, you would also not need a doctor to know that he will certainly die even if you do help him.Originally posted by Richelieu
I would not need a doctor to know that he will certainly die if i don't try to help him.Lime roots and treachery!
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If I'd been there I would have shortcircuited this whole discussion by shooting him myself.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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