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  • #76
    Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
    Being a landlocked country with enemies around sucks, I feel bad for serbia. For real.

    They lost their historical homeland to the albanians


    Que? Historical in what sense? Albanians are thought to be descended from Illyrians who inhabited the whole of modern Yugoslavia in Roman times. Slavs -- Russians and Czechs and Serbs and such -- were still mucking around in Polish marshes at the time. By that logic, all of Yugoslavia belongs to Albanians.

    Historical isn't worth a dingo's kidneys. What matters are the current circumstances, not what lead to them.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Gangerolf
      I say we just use the local name, Crna Gora


      Crna Gora = Black Mountain
      Montenegro = Mountain Black

      Wow.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by Cort Haus
        So what will the two entities of the post-secession USA be called then?
        The United States and God Bless Patriot Freedom Eagle Land. Or NASCARland.
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        • #79
          I vote for 'ne'. 19th Century Pan-Slavism makes a whole lot more sense to me. Proliferation of mini-states is silly.
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          • #80
            In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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            • #81
              Seriously, the 55% part is amazingly interesting wrt to the Quebec vs Canada issue.
              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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              • #82
                I have an idea. All the French Canadians could move to Montenegro thus killing two birds with one stone.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by PLATO


                  Cheap at the price.

                  You would be kicking yourself in the ass and you don't even realize this.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Serb

                    Yep, we have a plan b since 1973.
                    Hope you have a plan C.

                    Originally posted by Serb
                    As you wish.
                    Keep discussing how well you will rape Serbia even further in the nearest future.
                    Not needed. They are quite capable of screwing themselves without any help from us.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by St Leo
                      Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
                      Being a landlocked country with enemies around sucks, I feel bad for serbia. For real.

                      They lost their historical homeland to the albanians


                      Que? Historical in what sense? Albanians are thought to be descended from Illyrians who inhabited the whole of modern Yugoslavia in Roman times. Slavs -- Russians and Czechs and Serbs and such -- were still mucking around in Polish marshes at the time. By that logic, all of Yugoslavia belongs to Albanians.

                      Historical isn't worth a dingo's kidneys. What matters are the current circumstances, not what lead to them.
                      Kosovo actually used to be mostly Serb, but the Albanians retained a higher birth rate, leading to them becoming the majority.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by St Leo
                        I vote for 'ne'. 19th Century Pan-Slavism makes a whole lot more sense to me. Proliferation of mini-states is silly.
                        Yugoslavia failed because it was on the boarders of three civilizations, Western Christian (Slovenia and Croatia), Orthodox Christian (Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia), and Islam (Bosnia). You should read The Clash of Civilizations by Samuel Huntington, it gives a good argument why such states are not viable unless by the iron fist of a strongman despot like Tito.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by MrFun



                          You would be kicking yourself in the ass and you don't even realize this.
                          Depends what you really consider as important, I guess.



                          Oh...and sorry for the attempted threadjack!
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Odin


                            Yugoslavia failed because it was on the boarders of three civilizations, Western Christian (Slovenia and Croatia), Orthodox Christian (Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia), and Islam (Bosnia). You should read The Clash of Civilizations by Samuel Huntington, it gives a good argument why such states are not viable unless by the iron fist of a strongman despot like Tito.
                            Nah, Samuelson is wrong in his analysis. Yugoslavia didn't break up because it lied on fault lines of "civilizations". It broke up because it was not a democracy, wasn't economically successful and consisted of various nations whose nationalism was suppressed by the communists. If European Union was realized by force, say by Hitler, you'd see it breaking up from inside at some point despite all countries being a part of same western "civilization".

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by VetLegion
                              Nah, Samuelson is wrong in his analysis. Yugoslavia didn't break up because it lied on fault lines of "civilizations". It broke up because it was not a democracy, wasn't economically successful and consisted of various nations whose nationalism was suppressed by the communists.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Vince278


                                Hope you have a plan C.
                                Sure we have. Actually plan C is already in action.
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