The CIA was able to keep their prisons secret for decades....

[Vesayen]

......*sigh* Bush morons getting them exposed.

I have for my entire life accepted and basically assumed, without any factual evidence that both the CIA and the military keep secret prisons overseas where they probably violate every treaty we have ever signed.

They probably were really doing it for the betterment of America and our interests..... after all, we have to torture communists SOMEWHERE. While I assumed these prisons existed, I trusted the CIA and the military enough to not cross the line more then was needed.

Now its reported in the media daily that the CIA has secret prisons in foreign countries.

Le sigh.

Stupid Bush, getting us exposed ><.

[chequita guevara]

Illegal activities getting exposed!

[loinburger]

Illegal activities getting exposed by Vesayen

[Ned]

No, Che. It's not about exposing "illegal" activities. It's about exposing activities that help defend America.

[Pekka]

I hope China doesn't implement same strategies when they become the sole superpower... That means my ass is gone!

[Spiffor]

I think Vesayen's ass will be gone before yours the day China does this.

[Sandman]

Ves seems to be living in the wrong era. He'd probably be happier in the 1930's USSR.

[MRT144]

Vesayen deserves the death penalty. He's sorry we got caught, not that we actually did it.

And Im about to help defend America by kicking your ass Ned when im down in the bay area in june.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Illegal activities getting exposed!

Though some think that American values are about not getting caught rather than not doing the human rights violation in the first place .

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Sandman
Ves seems to be living in the wrong era. He'd probably be happier in the 1930's USSR.

It all makes sense now

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Ned
No, Che. It's not about exposing "illegal" activities. It's about exposing activities that help defend America.

Living up to your reputation once more?

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Ned
No, Che. It's not about exposing "illegal" activities. It's about exposing activities that help defend America.

Bingo.

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui




Though some think that American values are about not getting caught rather than not doing the human rights violation in the first place .

Just because something is declared a "human right" does not give the concept ANY moral authority or justification, they have to stand on their own merits. I reject a great deal of what the EU nations call "human rights". Many EU nations hold that it is a "human right" that the government provide jobs for all citizens, this is not something necessarily moral or which has value.

"Human right" as a term has been so maligned that it is no longer useful, if you want to address rights, address SPECIFIC rights which may or may not stand on their own factual and moral merit.

Back on task...... I always assumed in our CIA prisons that we were doing things for the safety and betterment of America and only on "those bad guys" not the rampant and mostly POINTLESS human rights abuses in Guantanamo and our favorite Iraqi prison.

What the hell is the point of holding a bunch of foreign nationals in detention indefinitely? That is a stupid move which provides us no benefit.

It is shameful to say it is bad we were caught doing something bad, not that we were doing something bad to begin with. I question if any impropriety occurred in the CIAs secret prison/facilities for the last 40 years, impropriety as I would call it because I need not justify my moral or political views to anyone.

[MRT144]

so because the word holds no value the concept should be disregarded. i hope i get to punch you in the face one day.

[Provost Harrison]

I expect no better from Ned, but Vesayen, I hope you are just trolling - for your own sake...

[Imran Siddiqui]

"Human right" as a term has been so maligned that it is no longer useful

I'd imagine any concept of 'human right' should consider torture to be against that. As well as detainment without the possibility of trial. But those must be commie values... damn founders of the US, commies every one of them

[q=MRT144]so because the word holds no value the concept should be disregarded. i hope i get to punch you in the face one day.[/q]

There may be a line for that.