Apparently the US has no right to enforce it's borders.

[Harry Tuttle]

Screw em. Workpapers or citizenship.

[Zkribbler]

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico - Mexico said Tuesday that it would file lawsuits in U.S. courts if National Guard troops on the border become directly involved in detaining migrants.

I predict the case will be gone by the 4th of July...either never filed, voluntarily dismissed, or tossed out by the judge. It'd be sooner, but the U.S. Attorneys Office will screw around for at least a month during which nothing will happen.

The Great Zkribblo has spoken!

[Dis]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I wasn't aware our borders were being violated?

In any event, it's illegal to use the military for police duties in the U.S. under the Posse Comitatus Act.

they are called illegal aliens for a reason.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

In any event, it's illegal to use the military for police duties in the U.S. under the Posse Comitatus Act.

Which is irrelevant, because the proposal [to use NG troops] is in a bill.

It's a nice loophole yes

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


It's a nice loophole yes

No Act of Parliament may be made secure from amendment or repeal by a future Parliament.

[Ted Striker]

LOL

[KrazyHorse]

What LOL, Ted?

Ordinary legislation cannot bind the hands of future legislatures. If Congress chooses to pass a law permitting the use of NG troops then it supercedes all previous ordinary legislation on that issue. It's not a loophole; It's how the system is supposed to work.

[Ted Striker]

Well duh that's basic government

So it's an "official" loophole

[KrazyHorse]

How the **** is it a loophole?

[KrazyHorse]

loophole:

A way of escaping a difficulty, especially an omission or ambiguity in the wording of a contract or law that provides a means of evading compliance.

It's not an omission or an ambiguity. Giving Congress the right to pass laws which couldn't be superceded by a future Congress would be insane.

[Ted Striker]

So the basic idea and spirit is to not be using military in law enforcement matters

So we just use guard units an viola problem solved

Nice backdoor, official loophole

[DinoDoc]

This discussion amuses me.

[KrazyHorse]

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

Posse Comitatus is ordinary legislation, not a treaty obligation or a constitutional right. Should congress so decide they could give the active military the right to police ordinary American citizens. If the President uses NG without the assent of Congress, then I can see calling it a loophole.

[Ted Striker]

That's what I'm talking about

You're more interested in semantics

Congressional approval or not, we know these things are arbitrary, kinda like UN Resolutions. Pick and choose according to who has the biggest.

It's sorta like the War Powers Act:

It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.

http://www.slate.com/id/1008290

Or we have the now famous "massaging" of the Geneva Conventions to torture people

Or 1800s era sodomy laws

This is all in the same spirit

[Gatekeeper]

BTW, I favor sending all immigrants and the decendents of immigrants back, so get the **** out of my country, kemosabe!

Hightail it back to Asia/Polynesia, Chegitz! (Ain't ancient human migration routes great?!)

Gatekeeper