Vladimir Putin's 9/11

[C0ckney]

define irony:

serb trying to debunk someone else's nutty conspiracy theory.

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Serb

No, he was elected, because people trusted him. Comparing to Eltsin he was like a breath of fresh air.

Yeah he was trusted, but why? He had not done that much that the public knew of in such a short timespan. He had a good reputation and had good manners etc, but the people knew next to nothing of him. That's why the oligarchs boosted his campaign, letting him on tv shows in which he was not opposed but had a free forum to vent his dismay over the chechyans. Not surpringly, the tv channel was owned by one of the oligarchs (I can't seem to remember Russian names that don't end on -in, sorry ). I don't know which one, but it was a successful commercial channel.

True.

Quite.

I have no idea which scandal you are talking about.

Me neither, I can't remember it well. Damn I wish I had taped the documentary :/

What same problems Russia has in Chechnya?

Basically it's a redneck country, with few or no functioning government services. In fact I bet Iraq is still better off atm than Chechnya that suffers from absolute poverty and destruction of just about all its amenities.

The oligarchs and the "family" didn't oppose Putin to become president. That was their greatest contribution to his election.

Boolox. They made him and you know it, or perhaps you don't want to see it. You might want to investigate a little closer how Putin rose to power. Sure the sources will always be biased one way or another, but still you will see some undeniable facts emerging.

And you sir, are moron.

Actually, I could say the same thing about you for blindly following your tzar Putin

What the **** could you know about Russia, considering that you take your knowledge from Berezovsky's bullsh!t stories?

I don't. I have not even seen the googlevideo posted here. In Russia it's not that well known, but there exists something called critical journalism aiming to take an objective stance. We're not like mainstream American media here you know

[laurentius]

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[Serb]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
In Russian, there is a single word for both 'State' and 'government'. Which must at least partially explain why being against Putin is also 'anti-Russian' in some people's head.

Really? And which word this could be?
State = "strana" or "gosudarstvo", while goverment = "pravitelstvo".

[Serb]

Originally posted by VetLegion

But a few days after 09/09/1999, alert residents of another appartment building spotted several men planting explosives in their basement. They called the local police, and by luck and quick wittedness, the culprits were caught... and then immediately released. They had FSB badges (former KGB).

Yeah, those evil freaks wanted to blow-up the building by sacks full of flour. What a monsters!

This begs some questions. What kind of strange procedure is that, carrying sacks of flour to basement buildings?

It's a security check. The goal is to determine how easily the evildoers can gain access to a place where they can plant explosives, how many time it takes for locals to notice them and inform the local police, how many time it takes for local police to respond such a call and how exactly they will respond to a call about possible terrorist attack.

What happens if they successfuly plant them?

Then some arses in the local police will find themselves in trouble.

They alert the local police that the security of a building is not tight?

It all depends on circumstances. If the local police will not respond to information about possible terrorist attack in proper way or prope time, they'll be in trouble.

And what does police do then, put a policeman in front of every building?

You can't place explosives at basement of the building unless you have keys from the basement. In apartment buildings basement and technical quarters should be locked/sealed. As for your question, if they are sucessfull in planting of explosives and inhabitants of the building seen them and didn't react (call to police) - it's a clear signal that population don't recognize the threat and do not understand that their carelessness could cost them lives in case of real terrorist attack. That means that population should be better informed about how they should act in such circumstances. If the local police didn't react in time or did it wrong according to police procedures, that means lazy butts in local police who are responsible for such situations should be punished/replaced, so next time police should react properly.
Sure they can't place a policeman in front of every building, but if nobody seen how suspicious people carried inside the building something that could be explosives (it takes a lot of time to bring enough explosives to destroy entire building), perhaps it will be a good idea to increase the number of patrols in this area. And we have such thing as a "district officer" who is responsible for several of buildings and have to know everything what's going on in his area, anything about suspicious types living in his district, have to check from time to time how well local authorities follow the basic security measures (locked basement doors, checking what stored in starage areas, etc.).

Or is getting caught considered a sucess, as in - security of the tested building was tight enough? So, how many times per month do FSB agents get caught trying to plant flour in basements in Russia?

Normally very rare. But when entire buildings start to collapse due to explosions, you have a code red, which means intensive security checks. I live thousands miles away from the Caucasus or Volgodonsk and Moscow where explosions happened, but there were alike security checks in my city, back then.

I haven't seen the documentary mentioned, but the Soviets had a tradition of not telling their population truth about anything. Remember Chernobil. If I were a Russian, I wouldn't believe my government everything it says. On the contrary, I would be very suspicious.

Name me a government which doesn't have such tradition. And the last thing Russians believe, it's their own government.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Traianvs

Yeah he was trusted, but why? He had not done that much that the public knew of in such a short timespan. He had a good reputation and had good manners etc, but the people knew next to nothing of him.

1) I might say he's got a credit of trust and considering that according to Levada-center monitoring organization 76% of Russians in Nov 2005 apporved Putin's actions, he didn't fail people's expectations.
2) Who do you think was a better alternative to Putin in 2000? Zuganov? Zhirinovsky? Who? Putin won partly because he was little known to public ('cause his rivals screwed themselves up already) and partly 'cause he was/is very charismatic.

That's why the oligarchs boosted his campaign, letting him on tv shows in which he was not opposed but had a free forum to vent his dismay over the chechyans.

Putin is smarter than you think. He always said that terrorism has no nationality and was always very cautious speaking about nationalities. He said **** the terrorists, not **** the Chechens. It's a big difference.

Not surpringly, the tv channel was owned by one of the oligarchs (I can't seem to remember Russian names that don't end on -in, sorry ). I don't know which one, but it was a successful commercial channel.

Like there were chanels not owned by the Oligarchs back then (ok, there was one - RTR). More likely you meant ORT - State TV chanel owned by Berezovsky and NTV chanel owned by Gusinsky.

Basically it's a redneck country, with few or no functioning government services. In fact I bet Iraq is still better off atm than Chechnya that suffers from absolute poverty and destruction of just about all its amenities.

They have elected their president TWICE, they have apporoved their constitution, they have selected local parliament, they have selected their deputies to the Russian parliament, they have restored all branches of state's power and elect their local authorities in accordance with local law and Russian constitution. The local police, security forces and alike structures consist of local population, locals themselves maintain order there, not foreign forces.
And notice, during all those elections there was no SINGLE incident where people got hurt, no SINGLE explosion at entire Chechen territory, while during the last elections in Iraq (which was a a complete joke comparing to the election in Chechnya in terms of organization, I mean election committee supervising elections from abroad, fingertips on bullots instead of normal lists of voters, etc) there were dozens of exposions in single Baghdad with dozens( more likely hundreds) of people killed.
So, yeah, Iraq is still better, there rebels control entire cities for months (something that Chechnya never seen since 2000), blow-up things on daily basis and have a stable, fairly elected and efficient government.

Boolox. They made him and you know it, or perhaps you don't want to see it. You might want to investigate a little closer how Putin rose to power. Sure the sources will always be biased one way or another, but still you will see some undeniable facts emerging.

What facts?
What I know is that Putin's rating of 2006 is the same or almost the same as Putin's rating of 2000.
That means his voters are happy with thier choice. The rest is bullsh!t.

Actually, I could say the same thing about you for blindly following your tzar Putin

1) Putin is not a Tzar.
2) And of course he is not MY, since I voted for another condidate both times.

I don't. I have not even seen the googlevideo posted here. In Russia it's not that well known, but there exists something called critical journalism aiming to take an objective stance. We're not like mainstream American media here you know

American, European, who cares? Your media is just a lying brainwashing mashine in most of the cases.
As I've said I didn't vote for Putin. But I don't like injustice. Your media is very unjust towards Putin, he doesn't deserve all that crapp they post about him.