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  • From the Liberal Media: Ben Franklin rolls over in grave.

    One could make the argument about the whole, "those who choose security over liberty deserve neither."

    One could also make the argument that there are lots of lies, one of them being damn statistics.

    But what it all boils down to is this: the Liberal media (Washington Post) hates America and hates our Founding Fathers, specifically by reporting on a subject that would no doubt cause him some posthumous discomfort.

    Washington Post

    Poll: Most Americans Support NSA's Efforts

    By Richard Morin
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, May 12, 2006; 7:00 AM


    A majority of Americans initially support a controversial National Security Agency program to collect information on telephone calls made in the United States in an effort to identify and investigate potential terrorist threats, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.

    The new survey found that 63 percent of Americans said they found the NSA program to be an acceptable way to investigate terrorism, including 44 percent who strongly endorsed the effort. Another 35 percent said the program was unacceptable, which included 24 percent who strongly objected to it.

    A slightly larger majority--66 percent--said they would not be bothered if NSA collected records of personal calls they had made, the poll found.

    Underlying those views is the belief that the need to investigate terrorism outweighs privacy concerns. According to the poll, 65 percent of those interviewed said it was more important to investigate potential terrorist threats "even if it intrudes on privacy." Three in 10--31 percent--said it was more important for the federal government not to intrude on personal privacy, even if that limits its ability to investigate possible terrorist threats.

    Half--51 percent--approved of the way President Bush was handling privacy matters.

    The survey results reflect initial public reaction to the NSA program. Those views that could change or deepen as more details about the effort become known over the next few days.

    USA Today disclosed in its Thursday editions the existence of the massive domestic intelligence-gathering program. The effort began soon after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Since then, the agency began collecting call records on tens of millions of personal and business telephone calls made in the United States. Agency personnel reportedly analyze those records to identify suspicious calling patterns but do not listen in on or record individual telephone conversations.

    Word of the program sparked immediate criticism on Capitol Hill, where Democrats and Republicans criticized the effort as a threat to privacy and called for congressional inquiries to learn more about the operation. In the survey, big majorities of Republicans and political independents said they found the program to be acceptable while Democrats were split.

    President Bush made an unscheduled appearance yesterday before White House reporters to defend his administration's efforts to investigate terrorism and criticize public disclosure of secret intelligence operations. But he did not directly acknowledge the existence of the NSA records-gathering program or answer reporters' questions about it.

    By a 56 percent to 42 percent margin, Americans said it was appropriate for the news media to have disclosed the existence of this secret government program.

    A total of 502 randomly selected adults were interviewed Thursday night for this survey. Margin of sampling error is five percentage points for the overall results. The practical difficulties of doing a survey in a single night represents another potential source of error.
    -Yes, there's no constitutional right to privacy written in. So, for some, privacy concerns aren't as important as having someone tell you that they're always watching you.

    -Obviously, if you're a real, loyal American, you have nothing to hide. Particularly in this day and age of the intarwebs, what with the SmokingGun.com, the Drudge Report, and the like.

    -Clearly, the government has never, and will never, betray our trust and ever been seen as incompetent. Therefore, a system like this where trained professionals and advanced machines browse through private conversations--it's all shiny.

    -At least the majority says it's still okay to talk about these things.

    -Honestly, I don't know why I care about this. After all, being a dirty furrner, there's only so much time before I return to my homeland or get rounded up and deported for my views and behavior. Y'know, stealing jobs from the white-folk.
    B♭3

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    American's seem t think they deserve to know all about all, and they don't deserve it.

    Certain politcal things, for security sake, is released on a "need to know" basis.

    Same applies to Joe Everyday Man. I don't need to know the decibel level of his wife's moaning in the heat of passion, or his.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #3
      Sure, there are some things which, for security's sake, should be on a "need to know" basis.

      Same applies to Joe Everyday Man. The government doesn't need to know the decibel level of his wife's moaning in the heat of telephoned passion, or his queries on Google for "big booty *****es".
      Last edited by Q Classic; May 12, 2006, 12:59.
      B♭3

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      • #4
        I totally agree.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #5
          I can't help but feel that this criticism of The Party will end in our becoming unpersons.
          "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
          -Joan Robinson

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          • #6
            "This man hasn't called his mother in almost 3 months!!!"

            "Call the President!!!"

            Get over yourselves...

            "This visiting muslim has contacted 6 different flight schools in two days while calling to Afganistan and Iraq."

            Maybe something like that should be looked into...
            Founder of The Glory of War, CHAMPIONS OF APOLYTON!!!
            1992-Perot , 1996-Perot , 2000-Bush , 2004-Bush :|, 2008-Obama :|, 2012-Obama , 2016-Clinton , 2020-Biden

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            • #7
              The problem I have with such a program is: would it be used effectively?
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #8
                No, it wouldn't.

                What is there, something like 300,000,000 Americans? You'd need at least 500,000 - 1,000,000 people to catch everything.

                90-95% would be discarded and never reviewed.

                (yes, I know I'm pulling numbers out of my ass, but they were big numbers and very uncomfortable...)
                Founder of The Glory of War, CHAMPIONS OF APOLYTON!!!
                1992-Perot , 1996-Perot , 2000-Bush , 2004-Bush :|, 2008-Obama :|, 2012-Obama , 2016-Clinton , 2020-Biden

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                • #9
                  I saw a debate on CNN with a woman named Randi Rhodes (not a porn star) and Dennis Prager and he was defending the NSA and said we have no right to keep our phone number/records private so she asked him for his home telephone number on air and all he could do was stammer about 5 secs before changing the subject.

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                  • #10
                    pwn3d!!!
                    In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                    • #11
                      and regarding the OP:
                      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                      • #12
                        I'm going to bed soon, but the Washington Post poll you're citing has already been exposed to be total BS because they played a trick of wording with it. An earlier poll conducted not too long ago with only slightly different wording completely blows this one out of the water by showing a large majority of US citizens are AGAINST this whole mess. Damn I wish I had the link handy.
                        The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                        The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                        • #13
                          Re: From the Liberal Media: Ben Franklin rolls over in grave.

                          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety - Ben Franklin"

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                          • #14
                            Re: Re: From the Liberal Media: Ben Franklin rolls over in grave.

                            Originally posted by Whoha
                            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety - Ben Franklin"
                            Is terrorism really worth giving up that much liberty over? I mean the terrorists killed what under 4k people on US soil in the last 5 years. How many people have traffic accidents killed? Where's the war on traffic accidents, or tobacco for that matter.
                            "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
                            -Joan Robinson

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                            • #15
                              Cars and cigarettes dont get together and chant death to America.

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