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  • #31
    If Tingkai is any example, China won't be able to handle the world. The minute they are criticized, and without the US to point to, their heads will explode.
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

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    • #32
      In 50 years when China rules the world and the U.S. has been cubbyholed into obscurity, our Nixon will be blaimed as one of the first people responsible for the decline of U.S.power. I'm not sure if he will figure more prominentaly,or Bush.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Darius871


        What could the Anti-Defamation League and other groups do about it? Even if they have "connections" in campus administration they wouldn't get away with ****canning experienced professors just for holding political views which are, after all, already virtually ubiquitous on most American campuses.
        You would be surprised at what any well organized pressure group will do. University officials tend to take the path of least resistance over the path of principle nine times out of ten. This is the most distressing thing about working at a university. In many cases the university officials will not stand up for what is right – they simply want to make problems go away as soon and as quietly as possible. The louder a group whines, the more likely it is to get its way.

        This is exactly what happened with radical feminism in the early to mid nineties. The Israel thing is nowhere near as bad, but it is still problematic in many schools. The sexual harassment hysteria a decade or so ago was far worse.

        What precisely do you mean by "difficult"? Firing? Demotion or refusal to promote? Pay cuts? Hampering efforts to publish? If you just mean getting some public or private criticism, nearly all professors can take it in stride and many would relish it.
        It is usually more subtle than that. If you are perceived as difficult by administrators (and in practice this tends to mean that you cause them trouble whether or not you are right or wrong in principle), then you will find promotions not as easy to come by and funding harder to come by as well. Criticism is no big deal, but when the bureaucracy make it difficult for you, it can be a real problem.

        For example: a friend of mine took my old college to task because they admitted a neo-nazi to do a PhD in German History. This guy was a published Holocaust denier and a former official of a German Neo-Nazi party. Part of his PhD proposal required him to interview German New Zealanders about their experiences in NZ. Unfortunately, the vast majority of German immigrants to New Zealand happen to be holocaust survivours, so you can see why this guy was jumpy about it.

        In the end university officials ****ed up majorly. They took the path of least resistance and ended up shaming the school. In the end a government inquiry proved my friend 100% right, and slammed the university's officials. Yet, he has been labelled a troublemaker and they are trying to find ways to get rid of him. They have already made his life difficult.

        Another lecturer I know had unpopular opinions in his department, but was basically a decent fellow. He was hounded out of the college in what can only be described as a conspiracy.

        The same thing has happened to people accused of sexual harassment. It was a popular tactic of the feminist gang on campus to accuse professors they didn't agree with of sexual harassment. Usually, the professors concerned were exonerated, but again many were labelled as "troublemakers".

        Censorship in western universities is certainly not organized or overt, but it is institutional and more insidious in many respects than the Chinese sort of censorship.
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        • #34
          But Aggie, it's the same in China on top of overt censorship. It's not something unique to the West. In China, I've seen more teachers get fired for being 'difficult' than for violating censorship rules. Although, sexual harassment was largely ignored.
          “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
          "Capitalism ho!"

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