US giving assylum to N. Korean refugees

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Silver14
Doesn't the coast guard also make an active effort to stop them before they get to shore in order to send them back?

Yeah, and did you ever think WHY they are so rabid in doing so? Because if Cubans hit the shore, they get to stay.

Coast Guard really doesn't care so much when they are Haitians (or whoever)... just call the cops to meet them at the shore.

[Silver14]

It was a question, not a statement.

[Silver14]

Oh and everything I post is speculation. I'll just save you the trouble.

Besides I can't possibly argue effectively against someone with a Stephen Colbert avatar.

[Urban Ranger]

What have they got against Mexicans?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Silver14
It just wouldn't surprise me if there were others we didn't know about. One exception can change a rule entirely.

It's not an exception. The child did not have standing to ask to stay himself, and his legal guardian wanted him back in Cuba. No legally competent party applied for asylum.

[Silver14]

IMO it is an exception. He was a Cuban that set foot on American soil and was sent back. Age apparently IS an exception if your guardian dies trying to get you here. If his mother survived he never would have been sent back. He was being cared for by family here who should have had every right to adopt the child and raise him here. If no one wanted him, then sending him back would have been the right thing to do. Breaking into his relatives home to steal him away at night is not.

[KrazyHorse]

If a Cuban lands on US shores and asks to be sent back he will be sent back

Since his sole remaining legal guardian requested him back, that is exactly how the situation needed to be treated. The child was 5 years old and could not choose to stay for himself. If his father had requested that he stay and the authorities still sent him back then you might have a case. Until then you're just foaming at the mouth.

[Silver14]

Maybe my definition of exception differs from yours then.

[Kuciwalker]

Maybe you're just wrong.

[Silver14]

Fine, I'm wrong. Send all the kids back...they don't count.

[KrazyHorse]

Kids don't get to ****ing decide where they want to live. Their legal guardians do.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Silver14
Fine, I'm wrong. Send all the kids back...they don't count.

KH beat me to this.


You think kids have any right to decide on anything? What? Kids move out as independent adults at age five?

[Bosh]

South Korea at best does nothing to encourage these defections and at worst fights them tooth and nail. So it's not quite complete to say that refugees go to South Korea by the same kind of methods.

Well any refugees that get to Korea get taken in and given a pile of cash, but the government just doesn't go that much out of the way to help them get into the country unless it's shamed into doing so. For example last year the SKorean government chartered two airliners to take a few hundred refugees in from Vietnam.

the large numbers will be such that China finds it convenient to quietly allow the US to take the defectors off their hands directly.

I doubt that very much, it wouldn't have been difficult AT ALL to shame the SKorean government into taking all of them.

If I was in charge of SK, I would let defectors in, but I would NOT make it news or advertise it. Not during possible negotiations, NK will use it to torpedo the future demands anyway.

I'd make encouraging defectors the #1 priority of the KCIA if I were President. Nothing hollows out a regime like all of it's skilled labor running away, just look what happened to East Germany...

Also the general gutlessness of the pathetic SKorean government doesn't change the fact that China is being a MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger obstacle to these refugees escaping NKorea permanently. Which is evil.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Bosh
I'd make encouraging defectors the #1 priority of the KCIA if I were President. Nothing hollows out a regime like all of it's skilled labor running away, just look what happened to East Germany...

You will never be the RoK president with that platform. Seriously, think of the consequences. How long did it take Germany to start recovering after reunification? and East Germany probably was in a much better shape than DPRK now.

Originally posted by Bosh
Also the general gutlessness of the pathetic SKorean government doesn't change the fact that China is being a MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger obstacle to these refugees escaping NKorea permanently. Which is evil.

Well, speaking from first hand experience, this decision is correct. Our British overlords stuck us with the Port of First Asylum (something like that) which created a nice social problem for a couple of decades. And the UN still owe us tens of millions.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


You will never be the RoK president with that platform. Seriously, think of the consequences. How long did it take Germany to start recovering after reunification? and East Germany probably was in a much better shape than DPRK now.

You do realize that the situations between Germany and Korea are very very different, don't you?

Well, speaking from first hand experience, this decision is correct. Our British overlords stuck us with the Port of First Asylum (something like that) which created a nice social problem for a couple of decades. And the UN still owe us tens of millions.

Ok, I hereby question your ability to make analogy.

This has nothing do with China returning N. Korean refugees (where they will then suffer punishment for leaving) because the N. Koreans don't desire to stay in China. They try to escape to S. Korean, which China won't allow them to do.