A Scanner Darkly: A new way to make movies?

[bipolarbear]

PKD is forking awesome! Then Linklater following not too far behind. I could write a big long paragraph but I'll save space et.c by jsut posting that I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS FILM!

[Q Classic]

Tuberski, they weren't animating live actors, they were just rotoscoping.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I believe 'Dick' has become uncensored.

Aww... no more "**** Cheney."

[Dr Strangelove]

This isn't really animatioon is it? I get the impression that they took live action film and then "cartoon-ized" it. I think I'd prefer to see this movie in true live action, but i'll hold my final judgement until I see it in a theater.

[-Jrabbit]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I believe 'Dick' has become uncensored.

Force of habit I guess.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Tuberski


No, it's a gimmick, if you see more than 1 or 2 more movies like this, then it's not a gimmick.

I disagree 100%. Its experimental. Something you see in 1 or 2 movies that no one has done before is experimental. A gimmick is trumpetted as the star attraction by those who use it. Richard Linklater uses this technique as an artistic tool to help tell the story, but it is not meant to be the center of audience attention.

Its a gimmick when used in a way like the Citizen's Bank commercials that used it.

[FrostyBoy]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
This isn't really animatioon is it? I get the impression that they took live action film and then "cartoon-ized" it. I think I'd prefer to see this movie in true live action, but i'll hold my final judgement until I see it in a theater.

I believe it uses some sort of cell-shading filter, which of course would have to be rendered on a computer.

So they will have the true live action filmed. Up to them to release it though.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous


I disagree 100%. Its experimental. Something you see in 1 or 2 movies that no one has done before is experimental. A gimmick is trumpetted as the star attraction by those who use it. Richard Linklater uses this technique as an artistic tool to help tell the story, but it is not meant to be the center of audience attention.

Its a gimmick when used in a way like the Citizen's Bank commercials that used it.

If the story could be told with normal actors without the animation, it's a gimmick. Period.

I could care less who made it, it's still a gimmick.

ACK!

[Imran Siddiqui]

[q=Tuberski]If the story could be told with normal actors without the animation, it's a gimmick. Period.[/q]

Nah, you are wrong.

It's like saying that animated films in general (like "The Incredibles") are gimmicks.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
[q=Tuberski]If the story could be told with normal actors without the animation, it's a gimmick. Period.[/q]

Nah, you are wrong.

It's like saying that animated films in general (like "The Incredibles") are gimmicks.

No the characters in animated films aren't the people doing the acting and then be "animated".

The story seems alright, but I'll wait to watch the movie.

Actually, I'll hold off on calling it a gimmick right now. If the animation is actually used to further the story then I will agree.

But, if it's just animated to make it look animated, it's still a gimmick.

ACK!

[MRT144]

i just dont get why it has to be this style if they used live actors anyway.

[Imran Siddiqui]

But, if it's just animated to make it look animated, it's still a gimmick.

Do you consider 'special effects' to be a gimmick?

You sure do have quite a strange idea of what is a gimmick.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

But, if it's just animated to make it look animated, it's still a gimmick.

Do you consider 'special effects' to be a gimmick?

You sure do have quite a strange idea of what is a gimmick.

No, if they use live actors anyway and then animate them for no apparent reason that is a gimmick.

Special effects have a purpose in most movies.

As I said, maybe somewhere in the movie, the use of animation will make sense. Like in The Wizrd of Oz, with the balck and white begin and end.

Tell me a reason a live acted movie needs to be animated. If there is no reason for it, other than the animation itself, it's a gimmick.

ACK!

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, if they use live actors anyway and then animate them for no apparent reason that is a gimmick.

Um... how about to tell a story in a different fashion? My, ever little artistic decision must be a 'gimmick' to you. "Memento" was a 'gimmick' flick? They could have told it in regular time fashion, but they decided to cut among different time periods, telling it backwards for a good portion.

Tell me a reason a live acted movie needs to be animated.

As an artistic decision. The story is about drug use and interesting psychological issues resulting. What can possible be a better story to use this rotoscoping to 'trick' your mind into one second thinking it is animation, another live action?

From wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scanner_Darkly

[q=wikipedia]The theme of construction of reality in consciousness is central to the novel. The most obvious example is the dilemma of the main character who simultaneously assumes two identities and often loses track of reality. Also, many of the characters excessively taunt each other, and rendered paranoid by drug use, understand the world through conspiracy theories. Because of the surreal, almost absurdist style of the novel, readers are left wondering if their own perceptions reflect reality or paranoia.[/q]

The creators of the film used a medium to showcase the underlying theme of the story in a visual sense.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Um... how about to tell a story in a different fashion? My, ever little artistic decision must be a 'gimmick' to you. "Memento" was a 'gimmick' flick? They could have told it in regular time fashion, but they decided to cut among different time periods, telling it backwards for a good portion.

Memento, was told from the beginning and the end and played to the middle of the story. The way it played was very important, if you play it beginning to end, it would be a so-so movie.

As an artistic decision. The story is about drug use and interesting psychological issues resulting. What can possible be a better story to use this rotoscoping to 'trick' your mind into one second thinking it is animation, another live action?

This is actually a much better response than "it's not a gimmick"

From wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scanner_Darkly

[q=wikipedia]The theme of construction of reality in consciousness is central to the novel. The most obvious example is the dilemma of the main character who simultaneously assumes two identities and often loses track of reality. Also, many of the characters excessively taunt each other, and rendered paranoid by drug use, understand the world through conspiracy theories. Because of the surreal, almost absurdist style of the novel, readers are left wondering if their own perceptions reflect reality or paranoia.

The creators of the film used a medium to showcase the underlying theme of the story in a visual sense. [/q]

Maybe not a gimmick. As I said, I'll wait and see.

ACK!