What will be this centuries WW2?

[Ninot]

I was watching the Charlie Rose show today, and they asked a guest what would be the event to name the next 20-30 years of world events, and he had a feeling the current Iran afair would somehow lead to it.

However, talk shows always have people on to say stuff like that, so :shrug:

[Barnabas]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Just out of curiosity, what was the 19th Century's WWII? Or 18th or 17th?

Do all centuries have singular, world-defining events?

The world war II of the XIX century were the Napoleonic Wars (people forget Napoleon conquered more than Hitler and ruled more time), and the french prussian war.

Nothing so big happened in the XVIII century, France ruled in europe, first the dutch and later the english on the sea.
The 7 years war made prussia a big power and england started to develop their second colonial empire.

In the XVII century you had the defeat of spain to France and the dutch in the 80´s years war with the end of spanish hegemony in europe and on the sea , and the last time the ottoman turks still seen as a super power tried to expand in europe, losing in Vienna 1680 to the Poles, lol.



history people, correct me, if you disagree.


I think the ww2 of this century will be indeed china becoming supepowers, and maybe some wars for resources/energy maybe even water, who knows.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Son of David
Consider those passages from Matthew 23. Particularly Matthew 23: 8, 'But you are not to be called "Rabbi," for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.'

That's your example?

Jesus says that everybody's equal and you get pissed off? Not to mention the fact that it's just as much a statement against calling Christian preachers "Father" or "Reverend"

and one should simply stop worshipping God the Creator and worship Jesus instead!

Given that Jesus constantly referred to a God other than himself, this is an interesting conclusion.

Did Jesus' teachings prevent the Jews being driven away completely from the Promised Land? Is he the Messiah who was promised, who would make the Jews kings of the world and all the nations their servants? Or was Jesus not simply the worst thing that happened to the Jews?

Like I say, pure filth, and it is no surprise that all the great movements against nationhood, against social stability and order, have been Jesus-like in their airheadedness.

wahhhh wahhh wahhh



Oh no! The Jews were driven from their lands 2000 years ago. Cry me a river

2000 years ago my ancestors were busy smashing each other's skulls in with rocks. Who gives a damn? How does any of this teaching make Jesus anti-semitic? It's simply demonstrating that he's anti-authoritarian...

[Son of David]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Oh no! The Jews were driven from their lands 2000 years ago. Cry me a river

2000 years ago my ancestors were busy smashing each other's skulls in with rocks. Who gives a damn? How does any of this teaching make Jesus anti-semitic? It's simply demonstrating that he's anti-authoritarian...

Are you are a Christian?

If you had read your Bible you would know that God made promises personally to the Israelites - not to the rock-chuckers in barbarous parts of the world!

And I am not saying Jesus was anti-semitic (that term should not be used thrown around so blithely), but simply that his doctrine logically lead to anti-semitic conclusions among his followers.

The world is still waiting for its Messiah!

[Whaleboy]

SoD:

Big difference between the nature of the man, and the nature of the church that was set up to worship him. Such a thing is discouraged in Mosaic law, but then, having a great leader in the mold of Gilgamesh, King David, Alexander the Great, etc... a single personality with whom one can "associate" as the personification of their invisible friend; is an incredibly powerful marketting tool which is why Christianity's evangelising efforts have been so successful for the past 1700 years.

I think this century will be remembered for the shift in power, economic at first, military possibly later, from the US to China, then India, and possibly Brazil too. How Europe fares depends on numerous other factors; I think Britain and Spain will prosper, I'm not so sure about France, Germany and Italy. Eastern Europe should do well depending on its relationships with the UK and China.

Whether or not all of this leads to war, who can tell? I dont know about the nature of the people that are likely to succeed Bush (and Rove).

I think we'll also see a decline in reasonable, tolerant, secular society as throughout the West, level-headed intellectualism and atheism is rejected in favour of mysticism. This I think will go hand in hand with a rise in revivalist religious movements, their political power will likely increase to, at the expense of the happiness of the population. I think this will also go hand in hand with a general "dumbing down" of society where important questions aren't asked, justice and politics become somewhat more vigilante and authoritarian, and the standards of higher education will fall.

Overall, I think this century will suck pretty hard .

[Sandman]

This guys a loon... (edit - referring to sod)

Anyway, back on topic, I'd say that the US will experience a painful, Suez-like moment that informs it that it's lost a lot of power and influence. I don't expect another huge war - although I do admit that it could happen. Modern weapons are expensive, but modern economies could still afford them, if reorganised for war.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Son of David
Are you are a Christian?

Nope.

If you had read your Bible you would know that God made promises personally to the Israelites - not to the rock-chuckers in barbarous parts of the world!

And the New Testament tells us that these promises were fulfilled in Jesus. Just because he wasn't the temporal deliverer you expected don't mean ****. God was tired of letting you guys have all the fun. The rest of us got a piece of the action...

And I am not saying Jesus was anti-semitic (that term should not be used thrown around so blithely), but simply that his doctrine logically lead to anti-semitic conclusions among his followers.

While any doctrine can be "logically" led to a number of conclusions, and while Christianity has been used to justify antisemitism on a number of occasions, that's a far cry from saying that the New Testament is necessarily antisemitic.

The world is still waiting for its Messiah!

Indeed. He shall return at the end of time, and he shall judge the quick and the dead.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Eras are defined by ideas, the debates over thouse ideas often take the form of wars.

The 19th Century was the Century of Capitalism,
The 20th Century was the Century of Socialism,

Both Ideas had their Origin in Europe and then spread to America, the next great idea will likly do the same. What it will be I cant say realy say but it will be something fundamental to how society operates. Every new idea is ultimatly a critic of the past and a new plan for the future, I think we are reaching a point ware wars are not nessary for new ideas to be adopted.

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
Bunnies.

QFT

[Sikander]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Given that I learned about Christianity at the hands of the Jesuits, no.

Christianity? I thought they were "...rum, sodomy and the lash."?

[Drake Tungsten]

What will be this centuries WW2?

WW3?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

21st century - the century that the 3rd world catches up with the first.

[alva]

Hmmm, LoA, I think you're aiming a bit high for the US there...but yeah, they might come a little closer this centuary.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

2000 years ago my ancestors were busy smashing each other's skulls in with rocks.

And now they get five minutes in the penalty box. Bad example...

[Agathon]

If you want my ten cents: the 21st century will see economic and cultural power start to shift back to Asia. The 500 or so years of Europeans being the dominant force in world affairs (due to various historical accidents) will slowly come to an end. English will still, however, be the international language, and the French resentment of this fact will not abate one iota.