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  • #16
    Re: A question about the Christian theory of creation

    Originally posted by aneeshm
    According to the Christian theory of creation , God created everything . I seek a clarification on this point . There are two theories which I have come up with :

    a) There was some matter , or some formless thing , which existed before god did , and that god only gave the formless the form of the current creation

    or that

    b) There was nothing before God , and God himself in the beginning was without form , only a potentiality . Then God decided to make the potential the real , and then proceeded to transform himself , or his potential , into matter , and thus creation ( i.e. , that because something cannot come from nothing , God could not create matter from nothing , and thus had to create it out of himself )




    Which of these is the correct one , according to Christianity ?
    The belief in the existance of "uncreated" matter is considered heretic in most Christian currents. There has been a famous dispute between Tertullian ("God created out of nothing") and Hermogenes ("God used preexisting matter), which ended with a victory for Tertullian. This position seems to be a rather "hard-coded" part within Christianity, while the other view is related to gnosticism (there's some Borges short story on the issue IIRC). However, that doesn't mean there's no Christians who believe in it.
    Also, the dogma of "nihil ex nihilo" would, according to some Christian opinions, limit God's omnipotence. Personally, I find this reasoning rather lame, but it exists nonetheless.
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    • #17
      As far as I know, the omnipotence of God beleif is about the only one that relates.. Nothing else in the discussion even relates to Christianity.

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      • #18
        (C) god always existed.
        -Not that I'm christian, but that's the correct answer.
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        • #19
          Look at it from a scientist's point of view: Re: Big Bang.
          Where would the elements necessary for the Big Bang originate?

          Back at you.
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          • #20
            God was bored, and there was universe(s) before the big bang....... sigh.........
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            • #21
              Yes, and God created the universe.
              I want an explanation from scientists, Thorn.
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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              • #22
                Originally posted by aneeshm
                I'd have thought that something so fundamental , and yet so trivial , would be something Christians of different sects could agree on .
                It's the trivialities over which they usually disagree...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by SlowwHand
                  Yes, and God created the universe.
                  I want an explanation from scientists, Thorn.

                  What does Evil Manical Scientists working genetically engineered Frogs that fire heat rays out of their eyes, not what you were looking for.... well fine...... be more specific and less vauge then.......
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                  • #24
                    You remind me of Sava. Any relation?
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #25
                      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                      "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                      • #26
                        Re: A question about the Christian theory of creation

                        Originally posted by aneeshm
                        Then God ... proceeded to transform himself ... into matter.
                        ... because something cannot come from nothing
                        Wow. That pantheism of yours is really deeply rooted, huh?

                        Which of these is the correct one , according to Christianity ?
                        Neither.

                        Before Abraham was, I am.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Asher
                          Jesus was a homosexual.
                          Aaah! That explains it then.
                          I don't know what I am - Pekka

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Terra Nullius

                            Aaah! That explains it then.
                            Actually he was bisexual, but that's beyond the point........ I don't know where I'm going with this so I'll just .......... leave...............mkay?.......
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by SlowwHand
                              Look at it from a scientist's point of view: Re: Big Bang.
                              Where would the elements necessary for the Big Bang originate?
                              What elements would those be?
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                              • #30
                                Can't you people understand the whole universe(s) got created cause God got bored, you know you can only entertain yourself with stellar lightshows for so long...... right?
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