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  • Thanks for serving your country, staff sgt., but you can't fly since your a terrorist

    Now can we abolish and outlaw these damned No-Fly lists?



    Terror watch list trips up Marines' homecoming
    Twenty-six reservists returning to Minnesota from Iraq are forced to leave a comrade at the Los Angeles airport because the government had put his name on a list of potential terrorists.
    BY BILL GARDNER
    Pioneer Press

    Marine Staff Sgt. Daniel Brown has just spent the past eight months serving his country in Iraq, only to return to the United States and find out his country had placed him on a watch list as a possible terrorist.

    A ceremony was waiting Tuesday at home in the Twin Cities for Brown and 26 other Marine military police reservists returning from the war. There were eager families and bagpipes.

    But Northwest Airlines wouldn't let him on the plane in Los Angeles. His name had been flagged on the federal list.

    As he worked with airport staff to gain permission to fly, the other 26 Marines arrived back in Minnesota on schedule. But rather than meet up with their families located just minutes from the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, they opted to wait on a bus.

    "We don't leave anybody behind," said Marine 1st Sgt. Drew Benson. "We start together, and we finish together."

    Brown arrived more than an hour later.

    "A guy goes over and serves his country fighting for eight or nine months, and then we come home and put up with this crap?" Brown said.

    Everything seemed normal when Brown, 32, of Coon Rapids, and the other Marines, all wearing their uniforms, gathered at the Northwest Airlines counter in Los Angeles Tuesday morning. The unit had served in Al-Anbar province of Iraq, known as the dangerous Sunni Triangle. But when Brown tried to check in, there was a problem.

    "I was told it was going to take some time because they informed me I was on a government watch list," Brown said. "People at the Northwest counter said they had to call somebody to get me cleared."

    The clearance took time, and Brown missed the flight. He was scheduled to arrive in the Twin Cities at 2:30 p.m. but didn't get here until 3:45 p.m.

    All the Marines thought Brown should have received a better welcome from his country.

    "It didn't sit well with any of us. I wasn't the only one upset about it. We all were," Brown said.

    Brown said Northwest Airlines personnel "bent over backwards'' trying to help him, but once your name is on the watch list, you are in for delays.

    The watch list includes a large number of names, but the government has refused to say how many. Babies, U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy and David Nelson of "The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet'' have been stopped at airports because their names match those on the list, according to past reports.

    How did Brown's name get on the watch list?

    It turns out his government also gave him trouble about going to Iraq and made him miss his plane then as well.

    When Brown tried to get on a plane last June for training in California before heading to Iraq in September, Transportation Security Administration screeners found gunpowder residue on his boots. Brown had only been back from a previous tour in Iraq for two months. Sometimes, Marines in Iraq get gunpowder on their boots.

    "I tried to explain what was going on, that I'd just got home and was going back again," Brown said. "They made a big stink about it, and I ended up missing my flight to California."

    That incident apparently led to Brown being placed on the watch list.

    "They should never have entered him in that computer," said Benson. "It's just common sense — that's the bottom line. I don't think it should have gotten this far.''

    A spokeswoman with the TSA was unfamiliar with Brown's case and said she could not comment on it.

    Bill Gardner can be reached at wgardner@pioneerpress.com or 651-228-5461.
    *And yes, I know the difference between your and you're. I hit the letter limit in the title space.
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  • #2
    Someone named Daniel Brown is on The List? You think someone with such an obscure name would be easier to find!
    Monkey!!!

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    • #3
      Re: Thanks for serving your country, staff sgt., but you can't fly since your a terrorist

      Originally posted by DRoseDARs

      *And yes, I know the difference between your and you're. I hit the letter limit in the title space.
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      • #4
        Re: Re: Thanks for serving your country, staff sgt., but you can't fly since your a t

        Originally posted by germanos
        I just wanted to be sure I made my intention clear, so their...













        The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

        The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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        • #5
          Re: Re: Re: Thanks for serving your country, staff sgt., but you can't fly since your a t

          Originally posted by DRoseDARs


          I just wanted to be sure I made my intention clear, so their...














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          • #6
            Ain't English great?

            Back on-topic.
            The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

            The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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            • #7
              YOUR WINNER!!1
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              • #8
                While I think the personal circumstances suck pretty bad, I think the system worked as it is suposed to (even if you don't agree with it).

                1.) The airport staff when confronted with a uniform and an emotional plea did no just say **** it, which is what terrorists rely on quite a bit.

                2.) There were obviously mechanisms in place to verify and clear people. If you think about it, 1 hour and 45 minutes to have someone cleared off a terrorist watchdog list is either awesome if they actually did clear him as opposed to just a higher up saying **** it.

                Now if they had arrested, thrown in jail and then forgot about him for 2 weeks, well then this would be a story (as it would be for anyone). As it is they saw a problem, examined it, and made a correct decision.
                "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                • #9
                  I'd not say that the system works if a marine ends up on a terrorist list for traces of gunpowder residue. If you're going to have a list, it would be better to fill it with people that actually might be terrorists.

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                  • #10
                    So I can have detectable traces of explosives on me, and as long as I am wearing a uniform I am just assumed a good guy?

                    I suppose I should have been pissed off when customs kept me onboard my ship for three hours when I came home from my last deployment as they searched for contraband (they didn't find any).

                    This is exactly what should have happened, suspicious circumstances discovered, quickly and efficiently investigated and dismissed
                    "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                    • #11
                      It's what should of happened according the system that is set up.

                      Point that Krop is making is that if it were a perfect system only guilty people would get caught.

                      Unfortunately, this is not the case.
                      Monkey!!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Patroklos
                        So I can have detectable traces of explosives on me, and as long as I am wearing a uniform I am just assumed a good guy?
                        No, they should have investigated it, checked his story and removed him from the list (unless there really is something fishy about him of cource). Not just left his name on for serveral months on a list for possible terrorists. That's not what I'd call a quick and efficient investigation.

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                        • #13
                          The problem isn't that he was detained when they found traces of gunpowder on his boots; the problem is that once an innocent explanation was found for these traces of gunpowder, his name was then entered on a terrorist watch list which prevented him from timely boarding on a future flight.

                          edit: **** the otbot
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                          • #14
                            The way this terrorist watch list operates is obviously arbitrary, inefficient and ineffective. All it's proven to be is a hassle for innocent people whose names are similar to actual terrorists, or who are placed on the list at the discretion of idiots.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
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                            • #15
                              Also note - if I'm allowed to play the devil's advocate a bit more - that this suspected terrorist that's not allowed to travel with a domestic flight because he's on a list, is at the same time allowed to go to Iraq as part of the marine corps. Does that make any sense at all?

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