Thanks for serving your country, staff sgt., but you can't fly since your a terrorist

[GhengisFarb™]

Re: Thanks for serving your country, staff sgt., but you can't fly since your a terrorist

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Now can we abolish and outlaw these damned No-Fly lists? .

Nope. The minute Senator Ted Kennedy was prevented from flying as his name was on the No Fly list, the list was so endeared amongst us Americans that we shall never let it go.

[Donegeal]

Oh, boo hoo!!!!!

I was delayed! Goddamit! Gimmie back my two to four hours!!!

Try to prevent terrorist from flying?! Those guys are f*cking criminals! Blah blah mumble mumble and they even went through my suitcase mumble mumble.

Figure out something better or shut up.

[KrazyHorse]

^Useless post^

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
The problem isn't that he was detained when they found traces of gunpowder on his boots; the problem is that once an innocent explanation was found for these traces of gunpowder, his name was then entered on a terrorist watch list which prevented him from timely boarding on a future flight.

edit: **** the otbot

[Donegeal]

Yeah, I read that....

Still sounds like *****in to me. Now instead of just pounding your fist saying "This is an outrage!" What can/should be done to improve the situation.

[KrazyHorse]

Who's pounding his fist and screaming?

The system needs:

a) safeguards that prevent the triggering of an alert based on a mistaken identity caused purely by a similar or identical name

b) thorough review of every new name added to the list

c) periodic review of every name on the list, and an active effort to discard names which are now judged to be non-threats

b and c should be accomplished by a review body separate from those who submit names to the list (and preferably from a completely different agency) with access to the intelligence which brought the name forward in the first place. 350000 names is far too many, especially when you factor in variants close enough to trigger an alert. A list of that scope seems to me to be makework of the worst kind.

[KrazyHorse]

Like I said, if you don't have some sort of strict review then what happens is bloat. Putting more names on the list becomes more important than maintaining the quality of the leads contained therein. Which leads to the problem of the boy who cried wolf.

[Kropotkin]

Yep, if the airport personel gets used to people being on the list for all the wrong reasons, why should they think anything else when the real terrorist turns up?

[Drake Tungsten]

The system needs:

a) safeguards that prevent the triggering of an alert based on a mistaken identity caused purely by a similar or identical name

b) thorough review of every new name added to the list

c) periodic review of every name on the list, and an active effort to discard names which are now judged to be non-threats

b and c should be accomplished by a review body separate from those who submit names to the list (and preferably from a completely different agency) with access to the intelligence which brought the name forward in the first place. 350000 names is far too many, especially when you factor in variants close enough to trigger an alert. A list of that scope seems to me to be makework of the worst kind.

[alva]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Now ask yourself why I've had pattie on ignore for 6 months or so...

The way this ignore watch list operates is obviously arbitrary, inefficient and ineffective. All it's proven to be is a hassle for innocent people whose names are similar to actual err ignorees, or who are placed on the ignore list at the discretion of idiots.

[Patroklos]

Incidentally, I have absolutely no problem being on KH's ignore list.

As I have said before, I have no right to consistently bash his strawmen to pieces, deflating his ego and sending him into ranting tirades resulting in the fracture of his internet God complex.

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Who's pounding his fist and screaming?

The system needs:

a) safeguards that prevent the triggering of an alert based on a mistaken identity caused purely by a similar or identical name

b) thorough review of every new name added to the list

c) periodic review of every name on the list, and an active effort to discard names which are now judged to be non-threats

b and c should be accomplished by a review body separate from those who submit names to the list (and preferably from a completely different agency) with access to the intelligence which brought the name forward in the first place. 350000 names is far too many, especially when you factor in variants close enough to trigger an alert. A list of that scope seems to me to be makework of the worst kind.

There we go... some progress.
What safegaurds what you implement? This isn't Star Trek where you can magically say "we will reverse the polarity of the list to give it a terrorist magnetism".

The other two are good measures... but I would think that it is being done to some degree already.

Anyway... I'm sure we will find some time to discuss these kinds of fun issues at Apolycon '06 (that is unless I'm delayed because I post here )!

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Incidentally, I have absolutely no problem being on KH's ignore list.

As I have said before, I have no right to consistently bash his strawmen to pieces, deflating his ego and sending him into ranting tirades resulting in the fracture of his internet God complex.

The best thing is, if Someone quotes you, it doesn't ignore the quote, so he may accidently read this post anyway.



ACK!

[Drake Tungsten]

I really hope I'm on KH's ignore list. That would be a real honor.

[Patroklos]

Yeah, KH usually ends up reacting to me anyways.