Bush Authorized Leak to Times, Libby Told Grand Jury

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Darius871


Libby admitted to leaking in July 2003 the same segments of the NIE that were officially declassified later that month: namely the "Key Judgments" section and a few other paragraphs relevant to the public debate sparked by Wilson's op-ed (click here to see what specific segments; Ogie's link is actually to a different October 2002 release).

Thanks D for the correction. What I linked to was actually simply the congressional proceedings that dealt with the declassified NIE. In other words what congress saw fit to put into public record based upon the declassifed documnets the Whitehouse released.

Your link shows the information most closely to its orginal form save teh still classified portions.

Now some will say that either the President or VP set Scooter up to fail as they gave indications to release the information but did not give him boundaries. So that if he inadvertantly released Plame's name (assuming it was in the classified portions of the NIE not that I necessarily believe it was) he thought he was operating on order for the President/VP.

[Jon Miller]

what is this assuming she falls under the category covert operative BS?

was she under a fake/covert company?

did she interact openly with other covert operatives?

obviously she was covert

JM

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
what is this assuming she falls under the category covert operative BS?

was she under a fake/covert company?

did she interact openly with other covert operatives?

obviously she was covert

JM

Comment all you want I simply await the Independant prosecutors signal to say the law was violated with respect to outing an agent.

You and I can speculate all we want but to date no charges have been brought up regarding Plame and her covert status. So as such, I await that legal determination as I am in no position to comment.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Dear lord! The Bushies have lost Bezerker! All hope for them is lost.

a) Berz has not been a fan of Bush for a long period of time
b) I don't think of any of the responders here there is truly a supporter of Bush.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Oerdin


This is very similiar to the wire tap evolution where initially they said it was only calls to and from over seas, then it was US Citizens in the US who were calling over seas, and now we've learned it is also US citizens in the US calling other US citizens in the US.

Wow this is news I missed and was exactly what I said would get the administration into trouble if provable.

Got some sites for this.

Very interesting if real.

[Darius871]

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if that's the case, but could you provide a link just to be sure? In my utter dependence on the evil mass media I missed that headline too.

[Odin]

Bush said he would fire the person who leaked or ordered the leaking of Plame's idenity, time to resign, Chimpy.

[Darius871]

Have you bothered to read the thread or even any article on Libby's testimony? He admitted to leaking a few segments from the NIE, NOT PLAME'S IDENTITY. Two different things. One's over here, and the other's over there. Separate. Let me clarify for anyone else that hasn't been paying attention:

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

D give it up Odin is simply circle jerking as normal.

[Dinner]

Ogie, you are simply wrong about her not being classified as an undercover agent (previously undercover agents are covered by the law for 10 years after there last day undercover). The head of the CIA has held a press conference and said point blank that she was covered by the under cover status law.

Also I honestly don't believe that the entire legal justification for having classified information is based solely upon an executive order issued by George Bush in 2003. It is based upon multiple acts of Congress and I recall having to read about them when I got my security clearence 10-11 years ago but it has been so long I no longer remember which acts they were.

One thing is certain and that is that it is not just a Presidential order.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe

Wow this is news I missed and was exactly what I said would get the administration into trouble if provable.

Got some sites for this.

Very interesting if real.

It was on NPR two days ago. Supposedly a leaker was now claiming that not only international but also domestic calls had been tapped. Both are illegal to tap without a warrent but the administration's claim so far has been that the law only covers calls where both parties are in the US. NPR's reporter was asked by the anker man how such taps could be possibly be justified and the reporter was speculating that if both callers are in the US but that the electronic signal left the US (like if it bounced off of a satalite) then it might be ok. That was just the reporter guessing though.

[Dinner]

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/07/washington/07nsa.html&OQ=_rQ3D1&OP=53eb99c4Q2FQ24Q3CQ3E0Q24eQ7BGZDQ7BQ7BvQ27Q24Q27__Q60Q24_Q25Q24_9Q24Q3ChZgl,LvQ7B,Q24_9,ZhTgvm-

That's a NEw York Times article from today. It deals with the developing story of how the Bush administration has been illegally wiretapping not just calls from the US to foreign countries but also entirely domestic calls. This isn't just a little a grey area like Gonzales claims but instead has specifically been outlawed by two acts of Congress.

Not that it stopped Gonzo the clown from today attempting to justify the administration's illegal domestic wiretaps.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

The AG was flat wrong in my opinion and Shiff was right to call him on it. Interestingly the justice department backed away from that position. Don't know if Gonzalez was laying ground work for domestic to domestic wire tapping or not.
Tell me more about the NPR revelation because that hasn't surfaced anywhere else.

[Dinner]

Gee, you mean the same guy who claimed that torture wasn't really banned by the law banning torture is wrong that the law banning wire taps without a warrent doesn't mean he needs a warrent? Who would have thought.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Oerdin

Also I honestly don't believe that the entire legal justification for having classified information is based solely upon an executive order issued by George Bush in 2003. It is based upon multiple acts of Congress and I recall having to read about them when I got my security clearence 10-11 years ago but it has been so long I no longer remember which acts they were.

One thing is certain and that is that it is not just a Presidential order.

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