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  • Chavez steals millions from foreign companies.

    This is just stupid. Chavez recently demanded that all foreign oil companies who operate oil fields in Venzuela give 51% of the field to the government free of charge. Of course the oil companies who paid full market value for these field invested millions and millions of dollars to modernize them and they don't want to have Chavez steal them without even bothering to pay for the property he has stolen. In the end it will be the people of Venzuela who are poorer and who have fewer jobs because this idiot has chased all the foreign investors out of the country.

    Venezuela takes back oil fields

    Venezuela has taken control of two oil fields operated by French firm Total and Italy's Eni.

    The government said it had taken the step after the failing to agree a deal with the two firms which would give it a majority stake in new ventures.

    President Hugo Chavez has been working to strengthen state control over oil production in the country.

    So far, 16 oil firms have agreed to change their operations into joint ventures with state oil firm PDVSA.

    US based Chevron, Royal Dutch Shell and Spain's Repsol are among the companies that signed the agreement on Friday.

    In an interview on state television, Minister Rafael Ramirez said the government took over the fields operated by Total and Eni on Saturday.

    "We are waiting for a resolution with these operators after they exhausted the possibility of entering into the mixed companies," Mr Ramirez added.

    Legal action?

    Total's Jusepin field produces about 30,000 barrels of oil a day, while Eni's Dacion field produces almost 60,000 barrels per day (bpd).

    Eni has vowed to fight the takeover which it declared illegal.

    "Eni believes that this action by PDVSA is a violation of Eni's contractual rights," it said in a statement.

    The company added it was considering possible legal action and would be seeking compensation.

    Total confirmed its oil field had been taken over, but declined further comment.

    Tighter controls

    Last year, Mr Chavez declared 32 oil exploration deals in the country illegal - prompting the change to the contracts.

    PDVSA officials had voiced fears that the previous agreements were disguised attempts to privatise the country's oil industry.

    However, some oil firms have refused to sign new deals, arguing that they have pumped millions into operations in Venezuela, and now may not see any return on their investment.

    Venezuela is currently the world's number five crude oil exporter.

    The government has been tightening its grip on the oil sector to raise additional funds to fight poverty in the country.

    As well as demanding firms give up majority control of their Venezuelan oil ventures, the government is also demanding firms pay more taxes.

    Last month, BP was slapped with a back tax bill of $61.4m (£35m) covering 2001 to 2004.
    So does anyone think this is actually a good economic policy? Does anyone think Chavez is anything other then another tin pot strong man who is using nationalism to justify his autocratic nature to the detriment of the rule of lawand the well being of his citizens. The 60's were full of rulers who behaived similiarly and the other thing they all have in common is they turned their countries into economic lagards.
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    CHAVEZ COOKS HIS OMELETTES WITH BROILED BABY OIL!!11!
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    • #3
      Can someone please tell me how Italy and France have extensive histories of being evil Imperialists in Venezuala?
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      • #4
        Uncle Boris is anti western corporations on general principal
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        • #5
          Re: Chavez steals millions from foreign companies.

          Originally posted by Oerdin
          So does anyone think this is actually a good economic policy? Does anyone think Chavez is anything other then another tin pot strong man who is using nationalism to justify his autocratic nature to the detriment of the rule of lawand the well being of his citizens. The 60's were full of rulers who behaived similiarly and the other thing they all have in common is they turned their countries into economic lagards.
          Its not like the loony left will castigate Chavez for this. They like it when "Western" companies get hurt... even if it hurts the people of the country at least the big, bad companies get hurt. And Chavez is anti-US, so they like whatever he does anyway.

          It's irrational. Like their love for Castro.
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #6
            Big mistake by Chavez. He just cooked his PR in the heart of bleeding heart country.

            When the French say the man should go, and they will, and you're trying to piss on the Whitehouse, it's safe to say you're done like dinner.
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            • #7
              Interesting echo chamber we have going here...

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              • #8
                If we keep this going we could see GePap's head explode!

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                • #9
                  What's going to explode out of it? Wouldn't an empty shell just shatter?
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                  • #10
                    Re: Chavez steals millions from foreign companies.

                    Originally posted by Oerdin
                    Does anyone think Chavez is anything other then another tin pot strong man who is using nationalism to justify his autocratic nature to the detriment of the rule of lawand the well being of his citizens.
                    It appears that his citizens like Hugo Chavez a lot, so he must have done something for their well being. Probably a big improvement on the previous autocratic dictators.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                      What's going to explode out of it? Wouldn't an empty shell just shatter?
                      I'm sure there'd have to be some goop involved. After reading many posts over a few years, I'm sure of it.
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                      • #12
                        That's good enough for me. Let's do this!
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                        • #13
                          OK.

                          Its not like the loony left will castigate Chavez for this. They like it when "Western" companies get hurt... even if it hurts the people of the country at least the big, bad companies get hurt. And Chavez is anti-US, so they like whatever he does anyway.

                          It's irrational. Like their love for Castro.
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                          • #14
                            This was a large miscalculation on the part of Chavez. He's bound to take a public relations hit in the bastion of the liberals who sympathize with him.

                            When the heart of Old Europe decides that you're more trouble than you're worth, which they undoubtedly will, and you're still doing your best to stay on America's bad side, I think it's obvious that trouble lies ahead for you.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                              This was a large miscalculation on the part of Chavez. He's bound to take a public relations hit in the bastion of the liberals who sympathize with him.

                              When the heart of Old Europe decides that you're more trouble than you're worth, which they undoubtedly will, and you're still doing your best to stay on America's bad side, I think it's obvious that trouble lies ahead for you.
                              on the other hand when you are a large oil exporter you pretty much have to invade another country to get into any real sort of trouble. what are they going to do? put sanctions on you?

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