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  • Puerto Rico, explain it to me....

    It's not a state, it's a semi-independant coutry that the U.S. has control over. Right? If so, when did that happen? I dont recall the US invading it....or spain or whatever...How did that happen? Do they have US currency?

    Spec.
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    US gained control of Puerto Rico in the peace treaty with Spain at the end of the Spanish-American War (1898).

    Since then it has been a US commonwealth. They do have US currency and US citizenship. They just don't have voting power in Congress, but act like a state, and are subject to federal US power.
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    • #3
      They're a something rather

      like Canada

      only they have representative

      that doesn't vote

      we won it from Castro in a poker game and gave them baseball
      Monkey!!!

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      • #4
        Puerto Rico under United States rule
        On July 25, 1898 at the outbreak of the Spanish–American War, Puerto Rico, being a colony of Spain, was invaded by the United States of America with a landing at Guánica. Spain was forced to cede Puerto Rico, along with Cuba and the Philippines, to the United States under the Treaty of Paris (1898) [4]. The twentieth century began under the military regime of the United States with officials, including the governor, appointed by the President of the United States. In 1917, the Jones-Shafroth Act approved by the United States Congress granted Puerto Ricans U.S. citizenship so that they could be recruited as soldiers for WWI. Natural disasters and the Great Depression impoverished the island. Some political leaders demanded change; some, like Pedro Albizu Campos, would lead a nationalist (The Puerto Rican Nationalist Party) movement in favor of independence. He would eventually die by what he claimed was a conspiracy set in place by the U.S. Federal Government. Muñoz Marín initially favored independence, but saw a severe decline of the Puerto Rican economy, as well as growing violence and uprisings, at the hands of the U.S. government and opted to create the "commonwealth" option as an eventual stepping stone to full independence.

        Change in the nature of governance of the island came about during the later years of the Roosevelt–Truman administrations, as a form of compromise spearheaded by Luis Muñoz Marín and others, and which culminated with the appointment by President Harry S. Truman in 1946 of the first Puerto Rican-born governor, Jesus T. Piñero. In 1947, the United States granted the right to democratically elect the governor of Puerto Rico. Luis Muñoz Marín would become the first elected governor of Puerto Rico in the 1948 general elections.

        Starting at this time, there was heavy migration from Puerto Rico to the continental U.S.A. in search of better economic conditions. In 1945 there were 13,000 Puerto Ricans living in New York City - by 1955 there were 700,000, and by the mid-1960s there were over a million.

        On November 1, 1950, Puerto Rican nationalists Griselio Torresola and Oscar Collazo attempted to assassinate President Harry S. Truman. Subsequently, Truman allowed for a genuinely democratic referendum in Puerto Rico to determine whether Puerto Ricans desired to draft their own constitution [5].

        Puerto Rico adopted its own constitution in 1952 which adopted the name "commonwealth" for the body politic and which is used by many as the name of Puerto Rico's current relationship with the United States [6][7]. During the 1950s Puerto Rico experienced a rapid industrialization, with such projects as Operation Bootstrap which aimed to industrialize Puerto Rico's economy from agriculture-based into manufacturing-based.

        Present-day Puerto Rico has become a major tourist destination and a leading pharmaceutical and manufacturing center. Still, Puerto Rico continues to struggle to define its political status. Three locally-authorized plebiscites have been held in recent decades to decide whether Puerto Rico should request independence, enhanced commonwealth status, or statehood. Narrow victories by commonwealth supporters over statehood advocates have not yielded substantial changes in the relationship between the island and the United States. In the latest status referendum of 1998, commonwealth status (or "None of the above") won over statehood with 50.2% of the votes, and support for the pro-statehood party (Partido Nuevo Progresista or PNP) and the pro-commonwealth party (Partido Popular Democrático or PPD) is about equal. The only major independence party on the island, the Partido Independentista Puertorriqueňo or PIP, usually receives 5-6% of the votes in the elections though there are several smaller independence groups like the Macheteros (or Boricua Popular Army). On December 22, 2005, a task force created by President Clinton and appointed by President George W. Bush called on Congress to hold the first federally-authorized vote ever for Puerto Rican voters to decide whether they wished to continue their current relationship, described as an unincorporated territory subject to the will of Congress, or whether they wish to choose in a subsequent vote among permanent non-territorial options, which the report enumerates as statehood or independence. The Legislature, as well as the political parties, were gearing up in early 2006 to lobby Congress to address the Presidential task force recommendations.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico
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        • #5
          Re: Puerto Rico, explain it to me....

          Originally posted by Spec
          It's not a state, it's a semi-independant coutry that the U.S. has control over. Right? If so, when did that happen? I dont recall the US invading it....or spain or whatever...How did that happen? Do they have US currency?

          Spec.
          its a commonwealth like Imran says. they are US citizens, but they can't vote in Federal elections, and I don't think they pay federal taxes.

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          • #6
            Re: Puerto Rico, explain it to me....

            Successful double post! eat that Apolyton!

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            • #7
              that nevah haapen!
              Monkey!!!

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              • #8
                I found out the hard way... Raising this issue with a group of Puerto Ricans is akin to bringing a skunk to the party. They have rather trenchant opinions about it, and often those opinions vary even among a family.

                Edit: This also brings up interesting questions about what might have been for both the Philipines and Cuba vis-a-vis the United States.
                Last edited by DanS; March 16, 2006, 13:58.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #9
                  If they are under US control, they should have a right to vote in Congress, no? Are they subjects of US laws? Where do their taxes go? Seems similar to the UK-America relations prior to 1775

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ecthy
                    If they are under US control, they should have a right to vote in Congress, no? Are they subjects of US laws? Where do their taxes go? Seems similar to the UK-America relations prior to 1775
                    They don't pay federal income tax. They do pay payroll tax and their citizens get Social Security, Medicare, Welfare, Medicaid and those fun things funded such.

                    And there have been various votes on Puerto Rico. In all of them the Puerto Ricans have voted to stay the way they are (rejecting statehood narrowly, and total independance is completely out).

                    I think another vote is scheduled this year. I would like to see them become a state... then our World Baseball Classic team would be even better .
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #11
                      Puerto Rico has a delegate in the congress, not a full-fledged representative. If Puerto Rico were to become a state, they would get 2 senators and maybe 4 or 5 representatives.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #12
                        Wow... I didn't realize their population was that large.
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • #13
                          PR has roughly 4 million inhabitants. The US overall has about 280 million and there are 435 seats in House. That implies DanS' figure is about correct, with approxmiately 1.5 seats per million people. Should be 6 for PR if House is extended, about 4-5 if it stays at 435.

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                          • #14
                            about 4-5 if it stays at 435


                            It stays at 435. I don't think Congress will change that law, and the building won't be able to hold more .
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #15
                              it's not like they all are there at once!
                              Monkey!!!

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