Men Want Say in Unplanned Pregnancy!

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Apocalypse
Many other things have changed to make it work.

Which is why conservatives still spend so much time railing about unwed mothers and the role of fathers?

It's an emotionally charged issue, that's why its talked about.

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Litigation is a bit more popular now.

Not going to disagree?

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Other factors enter in as well, such as AIDS which kinda makes sex outside of relationships less desireable too. It could change activity quite a bit more nowadays.

Which is why walk-away fathers aren't that big of a problem among the poor . . . oh wait!



The real question is, why do conservatives love fetuses more than real babies?

While there are many walkaway fathers, there would be more. Also, the women don't always plan that the father will run,

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I'd rather we all pay taxes to support chidren than force unwilling fathers into involuntary servitude.

If you committ a crime, you're forced into involuntary servitiude. If you damage someones proerpty, you're forced into involuntary servitude. If you create another human being, you are obligated to care for it in our society.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Ok let me see if i can put this another way!! Say a man sees a nice car. He goes in and wants a test drive with no insurance, should he be absolved of the payment for what he has done after the crash ?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Apocalypse
It's an emotionally charged issue, that's why its talked about.

It's also still a very big problem.

Not going to disagree?

You take my laughter at your ridiculous comment as failure to disagree? Trust me, we aren't very much more litigous today than we were thirty or twenty years ago.

While there are many walkaway fathers, there would be more.

Exactly. Glad to see we're getting through.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by GePap


Only an issue if he wants the child, and therefore not relevant to this debate.

Reproductive choice for males is not part of this debate?

If adoption is on the mind of mom, she most likely isn't going to give the right father's name on the birth cert.

Again, so what? You are arguing for men who don;t want the child.

And look who is talking about assumptions anyways.

I'm arguing that men should have choices after 'the mistake'.

That doesn't preclude other arguments over other issues of reproductive rights for men.

Well, again, next time he should be more choosy with his sperm. He had his choice. Now he has his responsibility.

Yes. The default GePap response.

One would imagine you being in favour of lawsuits over paternity involving donated sperm.

You seem to place such a high value on the little buggers.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
Ok let me see if i can put this another way!! Say a man sees a nice car. He goes in and wants a test drive with no insurance, should he be absolved of the payment for what he has done after the crash ?

If the crash happened because of a problem with the car itself, then yes he should be absolved.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Biology is tough, society made a choice (and a good one), don't be stupid when you have sex.

Line up and say that outside an abortion clinic.

I dares ya.

I double dog dares ya.

[Dis]

It's hard not to be stupid when you have sex. All that blood rushing from the brain to other regions...

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Apocalypse
It's an emotionally charged issue, that's why its talked about.

It's also still a very big problem.

That maybe could be fixed somewhat with this.

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Not going to disagree?

You take my laughter at your ridiculous comment as failure to disagree? Trust me, we aren't very much more litigous today than we were thirty or twenty years ago.

I would bring up statistics, but at the moment when I try to search for any trial related topic I just get articles about more RIAA lawsuits.

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

While there are many walkaway fathers, there would be more.

Exactly. Glad to see we're getting through.

Legitimate ones though. And eventually it might cause the trend to turn around.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by Apocalypse

If the crash happened because of a problem with the car itself, then yes he should be absolved.

NO apoc the man caused the crash

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Apocalypse

If the crash happened because of a problem with the car itself, then yes he should be absolved.

And if you signed a contract beforehand that said if you crash the car even if it is the fault of a mechanical problem then you are responsible, should you be held responsible?

[GePap]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Reproductive choice for males is not part of this debate?

Men have reproductive choices:

Abstention from sex
Birth control methods for men
Surgery

If a man failed to use any of these, he failed to excercise his reproductive choices, and he is responsible for his actions.

He gets no further choices, because he does not get pregnant, and thus has no further place were his choice can be excercised.

I'm arguing that men should have choices after 'the mistake'.

That doesn't preclude other arguments over other issues of reproductive rights for men.

As Che said, men ALREADY have rights regarding adoptions if they want their child.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Line up and say that outside an abortion clinic.

I dares ya.

I double dog dares ya.

Clinic defenders won't do anything. They're trained not to even brush against you, since pro-lifers will fall down and claim assault. So I'd be quite safe.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski

NO apoc the man caused the crash

I'm not debating that. I've been on a more moderate position this entire thread, that there just needs to be a way out if the guy didn't think the woman could get pregnant. Thus it is the car's fault, not the driver's.

[GePap]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Line up and say that outside an abortion clinic.

I dares ya.

I double dog dares ya.

Why?

Most western societies give women the choice.