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    03/3/06 - Posted from the Daily Record newsroom
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    'Trial' of Bush prompts meeting

    Parsippany school officials to discuss classroom project

    BY ROB JENNINGS
    DAILY RECORD

    PARSIPPANY -- Top school officials will huddle privately this morning to discuss a classroom war crimes "trial"of President Bush at Parsippany High School that suddenly is drawing national attention.

    The school board's president, Robert Perlett, said the 8:30 a.m. meeting was called by mutual agreement on Thursday as the uproar surrounding the mock tribunal escalated on the Internet and talk radio.

    Perlett said no decision had been made to halt the trial, which is to enter a fourth day today after classes were canceled Thursday due to the snowstorm.

    "There is no curtailment of what is going on at the school, at present,"Perlett said.

    Perlett said that the high school's principal, Anthony Sciaino, would attend the meeting. Sciaino, who did not return a phone call Thursday, said on Wednesday evening that he approved the senior advanced placement government class project in advance.

    Interim Superintendent James Dwyer, Assistant Superintendent of Curriculum Kathleen Sleezer and board Vice President Alan Gordon will also attend, Perlett said.

    Teacher not invited

    Joseph Kyle, whose class is trying Bush for alleged "crimes against civilian populations"and "inhumane treatment of prisoners," was not invited, Perlett said.

    "It's going to be very interesting. We might as well wait and see if a shoe drops or not," said teachers union President John Capsouras.

    Capsouras spoke to Kyle by telephone on Thursday evening about the controversy stemming from the trial, in which students are playing the roles of prosecutors, defense lawyers and witnesses and a five-teacher "international court of justice"is sitting in judgment.

    "Joe is fine. He's a good man, and he's fine," Capsouras said of Kyle, who is the union's vice president and chief negotiator.

    Capsouras said Kyle, an eight-year teacher at the high school, was in good spirits despite some crank calls. He said that Kyle, in terms of his job, should be in the clear unless "somebody decides they didn't give him permission" for the project.

    Student outlook

    Catherine Galdun, one of four student prosecutors, said she would be upset if the trial -- which Kyle, on Wednesday, likened to a hearing -- is halted.

    "I would say that we're doing this in a fair and balanced way," said Galdun, 18.

    "We're looking at both sides of it. If they don't believe that's right to do in a classroom -- to debate both sides of an issue -- I don't agree with that," Galdun said.

    A chorus of criticism ensued after a Daily Record story about the project was linked to the Drudge Report on the Internet and discussed on various news programs on Thursday, with e-mails from across the nation calling Kyle a disgrace, a traitor and worse.

    "If my child came home from school and told me this was going on, I would have someone's head. This is akin to treason," wrote Karen LaBauve of Roswell, N.M., in an e-mail to the Daily Record.

    A smaller number praised Kyle.

    "So-called conservatives don't have a clue as to what they've bred or are breeding. We need more teachers like Joseph Kyle," wrote Belita R. T. Franklin of Jacksonville, Fla.

    Jamie Barberio, defeated in the Republican primary for mayor last year, joined former county Sheriff John Fox of Parsippany and Freeholder Jack Schrier of Mendham Township in slamming the project.

    "We're presuming that President Bush is an indictable war criminal, when he's not," Barberio said. "How about teaching that he's not a war criminal."

    A phone call to the White House press office was not returned Thursday.

    Dwyer, Sciaino and Kyle did not return phone calls.

    Learning process

    Another student prosecutor, Stephanie Foltzer, said that after Kyle proposed holding the trial in January, the class was fully in agreement about proceeding.

    Foltzer said that extensive research went into the project. At trial, she questioned two of nine prosecution "witnesses"-- students standing in for Sen. John McCain and Hachemi Abdullah, an Iraqi man who allegedly lost several family members in a U.S. bombing raid.

    "I can understand the controversy, but I think people are taking this a little bit too far," Foltzer said.

    Township Council Vice President James Vigilante, a U.S. Air Force reservist, saw a little bit of both sides.

    "I'm a Bush fan. I don't necessarily, myself, agree with the lesson plan, but on the flip side, I wouldn't condemn the teacher," said Vigilante, a Republican.

    "I would hope he's not censored by the school board. For me, it's the right of free speech," Vigilante said.




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    • #17
      03/3/06 - Posted from the Daily Record newsroom

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      "Trial" of president continues, but ...

      BY ROB JENNINGS
      DAILY RECORD

      PARSIPPANY -- A mock war crimes trial of President Bush at Parsippany High School will continue today as scheduled, but Interim Superintendent of Schools James Dwyer said no verdict would be rendered in the case.

      A five-member panel of teachers was to have decided Bush's guilt or innocence after the trial put on by the 27 members of an senior AP government and politics class.

      Dwyer made the announcement at about 11:30 a.m., following a more than two-hour meeting with school board president Robert Perlett, high school principal Anthony Sciaino and assistant superintendent of curriculum Kathleen Sleezer.

      Joseph Kyle, whose class is trying Bush for alleged "crimes against civilian populations" and "inhumane treatment of prisoners," was not invited, Perlett said.

      The trial began Monday and continued throughout the week. A verdict was to have been rendered at the conclusion, which is likely to be early next week.

      "It's really not a trial. It's more of a forum, a symposium," said Dwyer, who added that the original emphasis on a verdict was intended mostly as a motivating tactic for the students. "It was used with the students as a motivational artifact."

      A chorus of criticism ensued after a Daily Record story about the project was linked to the Drudge Report on the Internet and discussed on various news programs on Thursday, with e-mails from across the nation calling Kyle a disgrace, a traitor and worse. A smaller number praised Kyle.


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      • #18
        While teaching at Montclair High School, he conducted an impeachment trial of President Clinton while he was in office.
        Hmm. Were the left-wingers as thin-skinned then as their right-wing counterparts are nowadays? Or was that in the days before "talk radio" and the Internet were expansive enough to have a significant role in being able to get the zealots organized and pissed off?

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        • #19
          Re: Bush War Crimes -- High School Edition

          Originally posted by The Mad Monk

          I actually don't have a problem with this.
          I do. I don't have a problem if it was about a mockup situation, but when it's about real I do. That the teacher have done the same about clinton isn't an indication of "fair play".
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          • #20
            Originally posted by C0ckney


            it's possible, in the same way it's 'possible' for the martians to land on the white house lawn tomorrow...
            martians must have landed on Pinochet's lawn then
            Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

            Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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            • #21
              Re: Re: Bush War Crimes -- High School Edition

              Originally posted by BlackCat
              I do. I don't have a problem if it was about a mockup situation, but when it's about real I do. That the teacher have done the same about clinton isn't an indication of "fair play".
              Fortunately, Bush isn't really royalty, yet. We are allowed to disrespect our leaders . . . for now.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #22
                The biggest irony is if the critics thought Bush would be obviously found not guilty they wouldn't be bleeting so loudly

                They must know something in their heart.
                Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
                  martians must have landed on Pinochet's lawn then
                  yeah they came alright, but i think they just spent their time comparing apples and oranges.
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                  • #24
                    Sounds like a fun class especially if he gets people to argue against what their normal beliefs.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc
                      Sounds like a fun class especially if he gets people to argue against what their normal beliefs.
                      That'd be great .

                      Actually had a Poly Sci class that did this (though it only works once, of course). The prof asked for volunteers who wanted to argue pro-life and pro-choice and then when the volunteers were ready, he said, you guys are actually going to be arguing the other side.

                      The only bad part was the one pro-choice girl who was all like, "I can't argue their side". She'd start into the argument and totally not have any clue what to do.
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                      • #26
                        and of course we don't have a verdict - Bush might get off
                        Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                        Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
                          The biggest irony is if the critics thought Bush would be obviously found not guilty they wouldn't be bleeting so loudly

                          They must know something in their heart.
                          I don't think so, AH. They're not so much worried Bush will be found guilty as they are that the students will learn that it's okay to even consider the possibility that Bush may be guilty. I mean, they love free speech, but we're at war, and some things just can't be said in times of war... and stuff.
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                          • #28
                            Imran, that was brilliant! I mean switching sides. Any intelligent person CAN defend any side, it just means they have the bigger picture, seeing all sides, not just their own. One should be able to make good arguments from what your view is, and then totally trash it. Well, if talking about science and absolute truths, then we can't do that but when talking about stuff like that, we can, and we shoudl be able to. Not being able to is a sign of stupidity. She was stupid.

                            I would have lost it hearing such weaseling out and shouted 'are you kidding me? Are you getting this higher education on what grounds, and how did you get in here in the first place?' and then I would have hit her in the mouth, because my fists are pretty good now and I don't have to hit the stomach to damage the baby popping machine.
                            In da butt.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                              This is kind of cool. The Republicans in the article who are outraged sound like idiots. It isn't like he's just presenting a prosecution. There is also a 'defense' involved. Though I love the 'these are young impressionable minds'... which means they shouldn't be exposed to both sides of the debate?
                              Exactly what I noticed Imran...I really find that 'you're either with us or against us' mentality very disturbing. I think the motives of leaders should be questioned and examined by everyone, but some people I come across fall into line and do as they are told. Just work it out for yourselves, make your own opinions...
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Solomwi


                                I don't think so, AH. They're not so much worried Bush will be found guilty as they are that the students will learn that it's okay to even consider the possibility that Bush may be guilty. I mean, they love free speech, but we're at war, and some things just can't be said in times of war... and stuff.
                                War? How can that ever be a defence for curtailing civil liberties...besides, you are not at war, you are involved in certain military operations that do not affect internal security...
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