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    The recent row over a state owned company from the United Arab Emerates buying the right to run American ports from the British company which currently runs them has created something we haven't seen since before 9/11. More Americans now say they trust Democrats more then President Bush when it comes to national security. To be fair Bush's appaling record of getting just about everything wrong in Iraq, his support of torture, his use of illegal wire taps all played into this as well put polls are showing large numbers of the people who stayed loyal to Bush and the Republican neo-cons through all that previous mess are now losing faith in the President and his party. Congressional Republicans are practically tripping over themselves to prove they oppose the President's approval of the sale of operating rights at American ports to an Arabian state owned company.

    This is a good thing, right? Yes and no. It's good that mass numbers of Americans having finally woken up about what a failed President Bush is and how he has ran our country into the ground but, I am sorry to say, Bush is actually right on this one. The reality is nothing meaningful would change at America's ports if a British owned company gets bought out by an Arab owned company. Opposition to this buy out mostly boils down to anti-Arab feelings in the US which have very little to do with security or any measurable or practical concerns with the business of moving freight through ports. I'm certain that some of the opposition, both among Democrats & Republicans, is based upon a belief that an Arab company (even one owned by a relatively progressive Arab state which is officially allied with the US) would be an unacceptable security risk. That said the majority of this comes down to election year politics and the Democrats have found the ultimate wedge issue to drive security conscious Americans away from the Republican Party.

    How? Simple they paint the UAE as a hot bed of Islamism, point out that two UAE citizens took part in 9/11 and then charge the administration with selling out America's security to his rich Arab friends. This sort of stuff plays among the red necks who elected Bush and who form the largest block of his supporters. The Democrats have, for the first time, found a way to put Bush on the defensive over his key issue... National defense. Now 43% of Americans think Democrats would do a better job combating terrorism and defending the nation compared to 41% who think Bush is the better choice. That is a massive loss for Bush who traditionally enjoys double digit leads in the area of defense.



    As a Democrat I'm happy that people are finally seeing what a failure Bush is but as a progressive I am deeply disappointed that this was accomplished by feeding anti-Arab hysteria. I suppose that's why progressives so rarely sustain their victories. Unlike people like Karl Rove many of us don't just care about winning but also care about doing it for the right reasons. I don't think the Democratic leadership has won for the right reasons.
    Last edited by Dinner; February 25, 2006, 01:56.
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    The preference for the opposition party is small, but the fact that Democrats are even competitive on the national security front is startling. In Election 2002, the President guided his party to regain control of the Senate based almost exclusively on the national security issue. On Election Day that year, just 23% rated the economy as good or excellent, but the President's Party still emerged victorious.
    I think that quote shows exactly how important the national security issue is to the Republicans in general and Bush in particular. On every other issue he was behind during the last election but he was able to fear monger and cajole just enough people (in a few key states like Ohio which is where the election was decided) to vote for him based upon security claims. Now Bush has lost that and the rest of his party is being dragged down by the President's poor performance. Even the Speaker of the House and the Majority Leader of the Senate have broken with the President on the UAE port deal because they see how this is killing them in the one issue they have to stay ahead on.

    I honestly think, for the first time I can recall, that Bush is actually making a principled stand (something which he has continually failed to do over his whole Presidency) on an issue. For once I support his position. It's going to cost his party big if they can't change the topic and people's opinions before next Nov. mid term elections. I find that slightly sad (very slightly but still I feel it) that Bush is being punished for actually doing something right. I wish he would have been punished for the numerous things he knownly did wrong instead.
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    • #3
      good points, Oerdin
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        Democrats benefiting from racism and interfering with national security
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        • #5
          OK, I can get the racism though most Arabs are nominally white so really we're talking about discrimination based upon national origin or religion but how are they interfering with national security? The reality is operating ports has nothing to do with national security since the US Customs Office (now part of the Department of Homeland Security which is another Bush Boondoggle) continues to run security no matter what.

          I think it should be said that the Democrats are benefiting anti-Arab hysteria and a red herring about security.
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          • #6
            What do you think is going to happen if we tell an Arab country (and an ally to boot) that we won't do business with them because we don't like the cut of thier gib? How is that going to effect the behavior of other countries that we want on our side?
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            • #7
              Of course it wouldn't go down well in the muslim world and especially the Arab world. They would see it as an example of western racism (or anti-Islamic feeling) and they'd be right. The economic impact might have a large trickle down effect. The US runs a massive trade deficit which means lots of foreigners end up holding lots of dollars. So far these foreigners have been happy to take dollars (though the value of the dollar has slide under Bush due to his accumulation of debt) but in order for this to continue to happen they need to be able to do something with those dollars. That means they need to find dollar dominated assets which they can invest in or else they might feel the dollar isn't worth as much to them and they might trade it for a different currency. Arabs from the Persian Gulf states, due to our guzzling of oil, end up with a lot of dollars so if they can't invest them then they'll dump them for another currency. This would be a disaster on its own but it would further drive the dollar down and official US policy is to keep the dollar stable.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                Democrats benefiting from racism and interfering with national security

                You're distorting the opposition with the overly simplistic, narrow presumption that the only grounds for opposing such foreign control of our ports is racist motivation to the exclusion of all other, much more legitimate, and more intelligent motivations for such opposition.




                Go back to archived threads where I have stood up for the majority of Muslims in threads where others have proclaimed that all Muslims are TeH evil and that their religion is inherently evil.
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                • #9
                  I don't understand. Wasn't this one of the promises Bush made to the UAE, if he was elected president?
                  “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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                  • #10
                    What this whole bruhaha has brought to life is that we have outsourced the control of our ports.

                    If this conttroversy were just about turning control of six of our ports over to a company wholly owned by the UAE, I'd be opposed to the idea. But now it turns out that the UAE company merely bought out an English company that was already running these ports. One pundit also commented this morning that China and Signapore are already running other ports of ours!

                    WTF?? Why the h*ll are we outsourcing the entryways to our country?! What?! Are we Americans incapible of running our own economic affairs?!

                    So...my number one preference would be to end this outsourcing altogether...and to find out what other stragetic facilities we've turned over to foreigners. However, if we're going to use foreigners to run critical facilities, I'd rather have the UAE in there than China.

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                    • #11
                      Oerdin, I think you make good points, but are you sure that Bush's stance on the issue is genuinely principled?
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                      • #12
                        I suppoes there is the possibility that he is repaying rich Arabs instead of just making a principled stand about accepting foreign investment. However, that is a very big claim and would require some sort of evidence. I have not seen any such evidence so I am left with the only remaining choice. That Bush really does want to encourage foreign investment and he isn't worried about where that investment comes from as long as they obey the law.
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                        • #13
                          My favorite part of this whole episode is Lindsay Graham saying that the UAE was a country that had sworn to destroy israel.

                          a big , first to a guy who has a girls name, and second to being very knowledgeable about the middle east.
                          "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Oerdin
                            I suppoes there is the possibility that he is repaying rich Arabs instead of just making a principled stand about accepting foreign investment. However, that is a very big claim and would require some sort of evidence. I have not seen any such evidence so I am left with the only remaining choice. That Bush really does want to encourage foreign investment and he isn't worried about where that investment comes from as long as they obey the law.
                            I've learned my lesson about giving Bush the benefit of the doubt. Guilty until proven innocent for the next 3 years.
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                            • #15
                              China has financial connection with the U.S. deficit, and now a company in the UAE, along with other companies from China and Signapore will manage some of more important ports.

                              All of these types of infiltration of our country's infrastructure and economy that have ocurred, and more that will likely occur in the future, only makes our country more vulenerable to our enemies, and to our "allies" who still have their interests to look after that contradict our interests.
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