Ratko Mladic arrested

[Gangerolf]

still not arrested

but I'm just wondering what the average Serb thinks of the man

Mass pro-Mladic rally in Belgrade

Gen Mladic is considered a national hero by many Serbs
Serb nationalists have warned Belgrade not to hand over General Ratko Mladic to The Hague war crimes tribunal.

About 10,000 Serbian Radical Party (SRS) supporters rallied in the Serb capital chanting slogans and carrying pictures of Gen Mladic.

"Mladic is the pride of the Serbian nation and not those who have been in power," said SRS MP Natasa Jovanovic.

The protest comes amid reports from Serbian media suggesting that Gen Mladic may be ready to give himself up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4749420.stm

I admit I'm pretty ignorant of what goes on in Serbia, but hopefully these people are not the majority. have they not heard about srebrenica? or maybe they have, but approve of it. or maybe they don't think mladic had anything to do with it.

[BeBMan]

I heard there was over quite a long time a majority supporting Mladic et al, but that this has changed in recent times, and that a majority is now for getting him to the Hague. No idea if this is true.

[Winston]

That is why it's so vital to get him before the tribunal - to hopefully open the eyes of even those who refuse to see what has been going on.

I saw an opinion poll referenced a couple of days ago, according to which 57% of the Serbs now wanted to extradite both Mladic and Karadzic, in contrast to public sentiment until quite recently. It's only within the last couple of years that public opinion has started to shift in favour of extradition - concurrent with the developing ties to the European Union.

No source, sorry. I just remember the figure 57%.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
I admit I'm pretty ignorant of what goes on in Serbia, but hopefully these people are not the majority. have they not heard about srebrenica? or maybe they have, but approve of it. or maybe they don't think mladic had anything to do with it.

Or maybe they don't believe the official story about 8,000 innocents being killed. Mladic may or may not still be guilty of crimes, and I'd be interested to hear what he has to say about Srebrenica, but he won't get a fair trial at the Hague, or a fair hearing in the media.

For those of us who oppose Western intervention in the Balkans the media fanfare that went flat on the day of "arrest" was quite funny. They'll get him in the end, but not before they've finished torturing and threatening his family and making asses of themselves.

No_of_Americans_killed_by_Osama_Bin_Laden =~ 3000+
No_of_Americans_killed_by_Ratko_Mladic = 0

Interest in catching Mladic : hysterical
Interest in catching OBL : 0
Connection of OBL to Balkan War : Ally of Izetbegovic, Iran, Saudi, USA, UK, Germany, Hamas, Hezbolla etc

I wish everyone could hear what Mr Milosevic has had to say at his trial. Funny how the newspapers never report his words - but then they never did. In fact the Hague prosecution of SM has fallen apart, and they've had to abandon their absurd 'joint criminal enterprise' thesis as Milosevic has systematically torn it apart. He'll still be pronounced guilty, of course, but when the judge, jury, and executioner is one-and-the-same, and paid for by NATO to exonerate their own crimes against peace, what else is to be expected?

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
I wish everyone could hear what Mr Milosevic has had to say at his trial. Funny how the newspapers never report his words - but then they never did. In fact the Hague prosecution of SM has fallen apart, and they've had to abandon their absurd 'joint criminal enterprise' thesis as Milosevic has systematically torn it apart. He'll still be pronounced guilty, of course, but when the judge, jury, and executioner is one-and-the-same, and paid for by NATO to exonerate their own crimes against peace, what else is to be expected?

War Tribunals are part of the UN and are subsequently financed by UN members via the General Assembly.

And that line of judge, jury and executioner being the same doesn't make any sense at all. There isn't a jury, and there most certainly isn't an executioner either.

[Cort Haus]

Maybe some people are not familiar with metaphors or colloquialisms in the English language.

Judge, Jury & Executioner is an expression. It is applied to kangaroo courts that aren't real courts (due process and a level playing field). The ICTY is such a court, and it's easy to prove.

Jamie O'Shea, the NATO PR man bragged during the '99 war that the ICTY (an ad hoc UN tribunal) was set up and paid for by NATO. (With its Muslim allies keen to get themselves an 'official' Genocide on the history books).

Robin Cook said the same thing. I don't have the exact quote (got fed up with carrying a truck-load of references around with me while discussing the Balkans) but he basically squeaked and grunted that "the task of the ICTY was not to bring to book members of NATO".

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
Mladic may or may not still be guilty of crimes, and I'd be interested to hear what he has to say about Srebrenica, but he won't get a fair trial at the Hague, or a fair hearing in the media.

Where would you have him stand trial? Or would you?

They'll get him in the end, but not before they've finished torturing and threatening his family and making asses of themselves.

What is this torture of which you speak? I can understand his notoriety may cause problems for his family....but "torture"?

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


Or maybe they don't believe the official story about 8,000 innocents being killed.

Would be strange since the Bosnian Serbs already admitted it offcially.

[Cort Haus]

What is this torture of which you speak? I can understand his notoriety may cause problems for his family....but "torture"?

Fair cop guv, that was a poor choice of word There have been violent incidents against family members during raids, and application of intense psychological pressure backed up with violence, but torture hasn't been applied to people a-la Gitmo / Abu Graib.

Where would you have him stand trial? Or would you?

There can be no justice while the real perpetrators of the wars - Western politicians, diplomats & intelligence agencies - continue to conceal the truth by publishing endless books, articles & stories about how angelic they are and how evil Milosevic is. If there cannot be a fair trial in the area where the crimes took place there cannot be a trial. If there is to be a trial the external agencies that provoked the conflict should not be immune, and should certainly not be running the procedings themselves as a Stalin-style showtrial.

As for local actors, if Mladic is to face trial so should Nasser Oric, the Muslim commander of Srebrenica who proudly showed to journalists his 'trophy' videos of massacres against Serbian civilians.

Srebrenica was an undefendable pocket of Muslim-held territory far behind Serbian lines. In any war it would have fallen, but the pro-Muslim intervention designated it a 'safe haven', but refused to demililtarise it. So you had this imbalance of a well-armed muslim force able to use Srebrenica as a staging post to conduct military offensive against Serbian villages and supply lines, and then running home to safety and impunity. That's no peace-making intervention, it's a recipe for disaster.

Serbian perpetrators of warcrimes in Kosovo were tried during and after that war by the Serbian authorities, and they are now still probably languishing in a Serbian jail, which is the correct place for them.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by BeBro


Would be strange since the Bosnian Serbs already admitted it offcially.

No, they did nothing of the sort. That was Paddy 'Imperial Viceroy' Ashdowns office putting words into their mouths.

[BeBMan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4398625.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3999985.stm

[Cort Haus]

US Official Implicated With Bosnian High Representative Ashdown in Attempting to Force Fabricated Report on Srebrenica :

http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep0803.htm

[MrFun]

I am willing to step in as mediator to help Bebro and Cort resolve their link war and to negotiate a cease fire.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by MrFun
I am willing to step in as mediator to help Bebro and Cort resolve their link war and to negotiate a cease fire.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
US Official Implicated With Bosnian High Representative Ashdown in Attempting to Force Fabricated Report on Srebrenica :

http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep0803.htm

Aside from the fact that your link does say just something like "sources tell us this and that" (which does not prove anything at all) - you'd have to show that the later things reported by the BBC (and lots of other media) in 04 and 05 are related to that, and/or that they are indeed somehow fabricated.