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    Out beyond the Dune Sea, on the farthest planet from the bright centre of the universe...

    i.e. in Florida

    Halfway to Heaven
    A Catholic millionaire's dream town draws fire.

    By Susannah Meadows
    Newsweek

    Feb. 27, 2006 issue - The 5,000-acre tomato field in southwestern Florida sure doesn't look like heaven. Bulldozers scrape the land flat while clusters of Porta Pottis signal an undeniable earthiness. But soon a massive cathedral will rise from this barren spot. Reaching 100 feet in the air behind a 65-foot crucifix, the Oratory will anchor Ave Maria, a whole new town and Roman Catholic university 30 miles east of Naples. Ground was officially broken last week, and the plan is to build 11,000 homes—likely drawing families who already hold the church at the center of their lives.

    For Tom Monaghan, the devout Catholic who founded Domino's Pizza and is now bankrolling most of the initial $400 million cost of the project, Ave Maria is the culmination of a lifetime devoted to spreading his own strict interpretation of Catholicism. Though he says nonbelievers are welcome, Monaghan clearly wants the community to embody his conservative values. He controls all the commercial real estate in town (along with his developing partner, Barron Collier Cos.) and is asking pharmacies not to carry contraceptives. If forced to choose between two otherwise comparable drugstores, Barron Collier would favor the one that honored that request, says its president and CEO, Paul Marinelli. Discussing his life as a millionaire Catholic who puts his money where his faith is, Monaghan says: "I believe all of history is just one big battle between good and evil. I don't want to be on the sidelines."

    The ACLU of Florida is worried about how he's playing the game. "It is completely naive to think this first attempt [to restrict access to contraception] will be their last," says executive director Howard Simon. Armed with a 1946 Supreme Court opinion that "ownership [of a town] does not always mean absolute dominion," Simon will be watching Ave Maria for any signs of Monaghan's request's becoming a demand. Planned Parenthood is similarly alarmed. So far, Naples Community Hospital, which plans to open a clinic in Ave Maria Town, says it will not prescribe any birth control to students. Will others be able to get the pill? "For the general public, the answer is probably yes, but not definitely yes," says hospital point man Edgardo Tenreiro. The Florida attorney general's office says the issue of limiting access will likely have to be worked out in court. Barron Collier and Monaghan say they're following Florida law.

    Raised by nuns in orphanages, Monaghan, 68, has tried to franchise his religious views in the past, creating elementary schools, a small college, Catholic radio stations and, in 2000, a Catholic law school. While many of his initiatives have foundered, the law school, with 88 percent of its most recent class passing the Michigan bar, is off to a strong start. Early signs suggest the new Ave Maria complex, his final and most ambitious project, might also work out. The developers are close to leasing 60 percent of the commercial space (no pharmacists yet), says project manager Blake Gable, and they have received some 7,000 inquiries from people interested in buying homes, which will go for less than the half-million median price in nearby Naples. In an area of strip malls and bad traffic, Ave Maria's communal design—with shops within walking distance to the homes—has civic appeal. "The general buzz is that the university and town are going to be a spark plug for massive development in that area," says Michael Reagen, president of the Naples Chamber of Commerce. Even the pope is interested. When Ave Maria Provost Father Joseph Fessio saw Benedict XVI, the first thing out of the new pontiff's mouth, according to Fessio, was, "How's Ave Maria?" He's not the only one awaiting the answer.


    © 2006 MSNBC.com

    URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11434439/site/newsweek/


    Jokes and trolls aside..

    So... if you are on Ben, would you live there?

    And any IAAL's here... how far could this guy go with the bans if he built his own town?
    Only feebs vote.

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    For Tom Monaghan, the devout Catholic who founded Domino's Pizza
    For that alone he should be shot. Domino's is crap.

    I think the ACLU and P.P. should be careful with this... this could be the wrong battleground.

    -Arrian
    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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    • #3
      Oh please... he sells pizzas like 90% of pizza restaurants... nothing spectacular, but nothing terrible.
      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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      • #4
        Oh please... he sells pizzas like 90% of pizza restaurants... nothing spectacular, but nothing terrible.
        No. It's crap. It's the Mickey D's of pizza (with Pizza Hut being the Burger King).

        -Arrian
        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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        • #5
          the aclu and planned parenthood should leave them alone - lets see if it works.
          "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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          • #6
            I actually really really like Domino's.
            urgh.NSFW

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            • #7
              I had my first taste of Domino's Pizza not too long ago. It was also my last. Yep, it was crap. Tasted preachy.
              The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

              The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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              • #8
                Domino's . Most pizzas that people say are better are far too greasy.

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                • #9
                  Politics aside, from a city planning point of view, this is an interesting project, one of few to have both housing and employment. It's a town planning method also advocated by left-wingers, except those plans generally involve existing inner city neighborhoods.

                  Now on to the aesthetics...


                  Looks like someone really wants to turn back the clock here - this town comes complete with a moat!


                  Real medieval towns don't have palm tree lined boulevards, though.
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                  There are reasons why I believe mankind should live in cities and let nature reclaim all the villages with the exception of a few we keep on display as horrific reminders of rural life.-Starchild
                  Meat eating and the dominance and force projected over animals that is acompanies it is a gateway or parallel to other prejudiced beliefs such as classism, misogyny, and even racism. -General Ludd

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                  • #10
                    the moat is a bad idea - what if its real succesful and they wanna expand it?
                    "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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                    • #11
                      It's gonna look like a cool medieval town with buildings around the old walls.
                      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
                        the moat is a bad idea - what if its real succesful and they wanna expand it?
                        If he sticks to his small town principles, the town would densify rather than sprawl outwards - any larger, and it's not going to be walkable.
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                        There are reasons why I believe mankind should live in cities and let nature reclaim all the villages with the exception of a few we keep on display as horrific reminders of rural life.-Starchild
                        Meat eating and the dominance and force projected over animals that is acompanies it is a gateway or parallel to other prejudiced beliefs such as classism, misogyny, and even racism. -General Ludd

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                        • #13
                          looks interesting

                          if I was super rich, might be something I would try

                          JM
                          Jon Miller-
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                          • #14
                            And any IAAL's here... how far could this guy go with the bans if he built his own town?


                            Not far. The Supreme Court has, IIRC, ruled that 'private towns' can't ban free speech, because they are performing a traditionally public action (not entirely sure on the language, just know they can't). So he can't get away with banning non-contraceptive carrying pharmacies, but I guess he can ask them not too (depends on how heavy the pressure is on them).
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #15
                              How does the sale of contraceptives fall under free speech?
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                              There are reasons why I believe mankind should live in cities and let nature reclaim all the villages with the exception of a few we keep on display as horrific reminders of rural life.-Starchild
                              Meat eating and the dominance and force projected over animals that is acompanies it is a gateway or parallel to other prejudiced beliefs such as classism, misogyny, and even racism. -General Ludd

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