10 Reasons why Gay Marriage is Wrong!!

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

It's the end of the world, folks!!!

You caught me in one of my less contrarian moods. Damn my weakness.


I have never had issue with the relationship of two consenting adults.

As I think more on the issue I wish marriage in of itself was not recognized by the Federal government as I think the role of Federal government should not intrude into this personal sphere.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


You caught me in one of my less contrarian moods. Damn my weakness.


I have never had issue with the relationship of two consenting adults.

As I think more on the issue I wish marriage in of itself was not recognized by the Federal government as I think the role of Federal government should not intrude into this personal sphere.

You would be willing to forgo the hundreds of legal benefits that go with marriage then?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Sure, as long as governement stays out of my private life, I see no compelling reason for a Federal definition of marriage.

Perhaps if we were to go over the beneifts point by point it would matter, but as a matter of course ceding these benefits in an effort to be fairer and to keep the governement out of the relationship game seems a fair trade.

[MrFun]

You're talking about your opinion about the federal government in this regards. Are you of the same opinion with your state government?

Would you want all levels of government to stay out of the institution of marriage?

[Ming]

Unfortunately, the Fed has to be involved in the business of mariage. Setting aside the economic/tax reasons, legal reasons are key. Next of kin decision making is necessary. The ability to make decisions about/with your partner are needed for a marriage to work in todays society.

[Wittlich]

Here we go again...I guess it was just a matter of time before this subject was brought up again...

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Ben - This is really very simple. You believe that a loving mother/father arrangement is the absolute best thing for a child. You don't -- can't -- know.

I'd certainly accept the notion that, all else being equal, a two-parent family has more chance of success than a one-parent family. There are rational, materialist arguments to be made for such an idea; a two parent family has greater potential access to both time and money for a child, and that makes a difference.

But we absolutely cannot know what difference the sexes of the two parents make. Maybe someday, if gay childrearing becomes common enough, we will be able to. But your belief in this has about as much validity as your belief in, say, the Virgin Birth. You can't know; you can only ever believe.

Here's my experience, as a straight parent and as a friend of gay parents: what matters is good, loving parenting, period. It doesn't matter that both parents are men, or both women. It doesn't matter if one parent is Christian and the other Jewish, or if one is black and one is white; those combinations, too, were once forbidden by law because well-meaning religious people like yourself saw them as both unnatural and as putting the child at a disadvantage. We reject that thinking now, and rightly.

There's only one way being the child of loving gay parents ever puts a child at a disadvantage, and that's when people judge his family based on nothing more than its composition. The question is, then: are you actually part of the problem? Think about it.

[Agathon]

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[Drake Tungsten]

But we absolutely cannot know what difference the sexes of the two parents make.

So why experiment with same-sex parentage when a perfectly good, time-tested institution like marriage is already around? It's bad enough that millions of kids have had to suffer from the ill effects of no-consequence divorce and the resulting single parent families. Do we really need to put more kids through an uncontrolled social experiment just to conform to liberal pieties?

[Agathon]

Cheers mate.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

But we absolutely cannot know what difference the sexes of the two parents make.

So why experiment with same-sex parentage when a perfectly good, time-tested institution like marriage is already around? It's bad enough that millions of kids have had to suffer from the ill effects of no-consequence divorce and the resulting single parent families. Do we really need to put more kids through an uncontrolled social experiment just to conform to liberal pieties?

Leaving aside the question of whether marriage is, in fact, a "perfectly good time-tested institution" -- it's lasted, sure, but so has slavery and infanticide -- would you have made this same argument 40 years ago regarding interracial marriage?

And -- just curious -- do you really think that the "uncontrolled experiment" of same-sex parenting is worse than the "perfectly good, time-tested institutions" of state homes and foster care?

[Fake Boris]

10/10 @ Aggie and Drake

[Drake Tungsten]

Cheers mate.

No problem.

[Drake Tungsten]

Leaving aside the question of whether marriage is, in fact, a "perfectly good time-tested institution" -- it's lasted, sure, but so has slavery and infanticide

Are you saying marriage is the equivalent of slavery and infanticide? Or that slavery and infanticide could be considered "perfectly good"? Either way, I'm not sure your views are really in step with the majority of people...

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

But we absolutely cannot know what difference the sexes of the two parents make.

So why experiment with same-sex parentage when a perfectly good, time-tested institution like marriage is already around? It's bad enough that millions of kids have had to suffer from the ill effects of no-consequence divorce and the resulting single parent families. Do we really need to put more kids through an uncontrolled social experiment just to conform to liberal pieties?

Nice that you can denigrate equal citizenship rights and natural rights with the depreciative phrase, "liberal pieties."