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    It seems that the life of a rusiian conscript is about $2.000.

    What is the price in your country ?

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    Russia officer fined for slavery

    A military court in Russia has sentenced a senior officer serving in the country's elite missile forces for hiring out his troops as slave labour.

    The missile forces are considered less prone to the violent bullying that results in hundreds of non-combat deaths and suicides every year.

    But senior officers acknowledge that hiring out conscripts to supplement officers' low salaries is commonplace.

    The case comes amid an unprecedented furore over abuse of conscripts.

    A incident that provoked particular anger was the treatment of a conscript at a prestigious tank college in the Urals, where a 19-year-old was almost tortured to death by his colleagues.

    Bullying

    On Thursday, the military court in city of Novosibirsk concluded that deputy commander Vladimir Kontonistov had abused his office by hiring out young conscripts to commercial organisations for earnings he then personally pocketed.

    It fined him $2,000 (£1,125), and banned him from command for three years - a sentence prosecutors said was too lenient, and one they intended to appeal against.

    This is just one of the cases of what Russians call "behaviour contrary to the code of conduct" - the bureaucratic term for bullying.

    It is not a new phenomenon - indeed, the Russian imperial army was known for its brutal treatment of its own soldiers.

    But it is now one of the major themes in Russia's leading newspapers and on television and radio, following the incident involving the 19-year-old in the Urals city of Chelyabinsk.

    The attack has sickened and shocked even those inured to stories of military violence.

    Amputated

    The conscript was subjected to a brutal three-hour assault, then denied medical treatment.

    The injuries he sustained resulted in doctors having to amputate both legs, his genitals and fingers. Photos of the young man before the assault, and in intensive care in hospital, have appeared in Russian newspapers and on internet sites.

    Adding to the widespread outrage, the country's defence minister initially dismissed the case as "nothing serious".

    Many Russian commentators say little will change until Russian society accepts that the army reflects its own problems, most importantly the frequent absence of accountability.
    I actually has a wish to do something "nothing serious" to the russian defence minister
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  • #2
    Oh my ****ing God.

    How the **** can you even call that "bullying"?
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    • #3
      The case of the soldier requiring amputation is truly horrible. It was reported here earlier this week. It is one of hundreds, if not thousands of cases each year where people are deliberately maimed or otherwise severely mistreated in the Russian military.

      Very sad indeed.

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      • #4
        cue Serb

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Verto
          cue Serb
          I'm actually a little curious how he will "explain" it - the usual "western propaganda" is a bit difficult to use
          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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          • #6
            I think this is too serious for any trolling or counter-trolling attempts, to be honest.

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            • #7
              **** that guy would just be a head and torso...
              "You are one of the cheerleaders for this wasting of time and the wasting of lives. Do you feel any remorse for having contributed to this "culture of death?" Of course not. Hey, let's all play MORE games, and ignore all the really productive things to do with our lives.
              Let's pretend to be shocked that a gamer might descend into deeper depression, as his gamer "buds," knowing he was killing himself, couldn't figure out how to call 911 themselves for him. That would have involved leaving their computers I guess."


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              • #8
                Can someone post a link to the pictures? I searched "russian soldier" and I got this:



                "You are one of the cheerleaders for this wasting of time and the wasting of lives. Do you feel any remorse for having contributed to this "culture of death?" Of course not. Hey, let's all play MORE games, and ignore all the really productive things to do with our lives.
                Let's pretend to be shocked that a gamer might descend into deeper depression, as his gamer "buds," knowing he was killing himself, couldn't figure out how to call 911 themselves for him. That would have involved leaving their computers I guess."


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                • #9
                  Would Ted hit that?
                  B♭3

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                  • #10
                    It was a very big news story over here for the last week or so, indeed.

                    What's worse, bullying of new conscript soldiers is common in the Russian army. There are quite many cases in Russia when conscripts escape from their barracks, often shooting someone in the process - and afterwards, they usually say that life there was simply too hellish.

                    With that soldier whose legs were amputated, the original post doesn't get the full story right. Basically, older and superior soldiers forced him to stand on half-bent legs for hours and, yes, there were some traditional beatings. This was, though, despite the victim mentioning that he has a medical condition with the legs (on another notice, he shouldn't be in an army in the first place with it). And so it resulted in a gangrene and amputation of his entire lower body.

                    The minister initially didn't know, and when someone called for his resignation he said "I haven't heard anything, and if so, I'm sure there's nothing serious". And only later he found out the soldier had half his body amputated. The minister doesn't even seem too remorseful...
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                    • #11
                      Well! This thread is going to be a Serb-magnet. I'd better warm up.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Axxaer
                        Can someone post a link to the pictures? I searched "russian soldier" and I got this:



                        OK, I'm warmed up now.
                        "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                        "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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                        • #13
                          Yeah, I didn't get that image on google, but I did get this site.
                          B♭3

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                          • #14
                            Gruesome site...
                            "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                            "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                            2004 Presidential Candidate
                            2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                            • #15
                              I wouldn't think, BTW, that images of said events would be appropriate at a family site.
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