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  • #16
    Originally posted by Gatekeeper
    Well, whatever happened to standing by one's principles? What's Google's corporate saying? "First, do no harm," or something like that?

    Hmm. I don't see it the same way, but maybe they figure it's better Chinese Internet users get to use Google for *some* things, if not all. Then again, they might be looking at it from a strictly business viewpoint, which is generally amoral in my experience (profits come first and foremost).

    Gatekeeper


    In capitalism one's "principles" are 'make more money'.

    And how is Google doing harm here? Its either self-censor, or no Google at all. Better to have a little Google than none at all.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #17
      So much for "don't be evil".
      Only feebs vote.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


        In capitalism one's "principles" are 'make more money'.
        Not true. In the form of capitalism that we know in the US, the principles are whatever the owners say the principles are. In the case of Google, an additional provision was added to the ownership structure such that the principles of Sergey Brin and Larry Page carried the day with regard to the company by way of dual share classes.

        The principles of Larry Page and Sergey Brin were clearly stated in Google's Owners Manual -- which was attached to Google's filing documents -- including the provision not to be evil. But this is pretty damn evil.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
          In capitalism one's "principles" are 'make more money'.
          I've no problem with profit — after all, it's a big reason why I'm still employed — but surely there comes a point in time when "make more money" needs to take a back seat to, well, something. Principles, perhaps? Heh. It's philosophical territory, really.

          And how is Google doing harm here? Its either self-censor, or no Google at all. Better to have a little Google than none at all.
          Heh. Maybe not so much "harm" as in being amoral or, at the least, pursuing one's self interest to the detriment of the greater good. *shrug* It's kind of like the person who goes to church on Sunday, but then is, um, somewhat naughty the rest of the week. It's natural that human nature would extend to human-run companies as well. Disappointing sometimes, but not unexpected.

          Gatekeeper
          "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

          "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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          • #20
            Google, which has as it’s motto “Don’t Be Evil,” says the new site aims to make its search engine more accessible in China, thereby expanding access to information.

            "IT'S" IS NOT POSSESSIVE YOU ****ING MORONS!
            "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

            Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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            • #21
              How is it evil? I mean its either no Google or censored Google like Imran said. What good are they doing by not operating in China.
              Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try. -Homer

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              • #22
                the principles are whatever the owners say the principles are


                Which are 'make more money'

                How is it evil? I mean its either no Google or censored Google like Imran said. What good are they doing by not operating in China.




                What's more evil? Denying the Chinese people a limited Google or 'standing for principles' and denying them all of Google? What about adherance to German and French anti hate speech laws?
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #23
                  Not true. In the form of capitalism that we know in the US, the principles are whatever the owners say the principles are.
                  In other words: "make more money".
                  Only feebs vote.

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                  • #24
                    No, the principles as laid out in the filing documents were much more than "make more money." It was quite a manifesto.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by DanS
                      No, the principles as laid out in the filing documents were quite a bit more than "make more money."
                      "Do X,Y,Z in order to make money then."
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #26
                        Your guesses as to the contents of the document aren't very good.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #27
                          In the end, they all lead to one final commandment. Yes... make more money. The principles help with the PR and may help you make money (as Google as used its "we're the good guys" stuff to sneak up on a lot of companies).
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #28
                            Google

                            1. Focus on the user and all else will follow.

                            2. It's best to do one thing really, really well.

                            3. Fast is better than slow.

                            4. Democracy on the web works.

                            5. You don't need to be at your desk to need an answer.

                            6. You can make money without doing evil.

                            7. There's always more information out there.

                            8. The need for information crosses all borders.

                            9. You can be serious without a suit.

                            10. Great just isn't good enough.
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                            • #29
                              I especially like #9 and #10
                              You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                              • #30
                                They're kind of forgetting about #2 though.
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