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Because the Bible is not a credible source. DUHOriginally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why is it necessary to have proof outside of the Bible?
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Sava, don't you have some crops to attend - i'm quite sure that BK is aware of this factOriginally posted by Sava
Because the Bible is not a credible source. DUH
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Originally posted by BlackCat
Sava, don't you have some crops to attend - i'm quite sure that BK is aware of this fact
they don't require my constant attention
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It's my experience that, if you reduce morality to egoism, you wind up with either something that isn't morality or a serious stretch of logic.* Morality as egoism only works if the two are consistently united in purpose--which they aren't. Sometimes, as I said to somebody else here, you profit from screwing others over. So you face the choice of either reducing morality to "look out for number one" with provisos attached, or else you gloss over with an assertion that all morality is ultimately self-interested. Which is BS. You don't get squat from donating money to charity except some crappy stickers marked with messages like "the humane society says you're dog-gone incredible!"
I don't know about consistent, but Kant certainly doesn't give an independent reason, which is all that matters to me. That's not really his fault; as I understand things, he was just elaborating on his religious beliefs. Still, it boils down to "just do it," and I don't see how that differs from "because God says so," except we have some reason to listen to a God if He exists.
*DISCLAIMER: Elok has had a fair amount of wine at this point in the night. You're lucky he's even spelling correctly, so cut him some slack on these things. "Wine to gladden the heart of man!" I forget; whose signature has that awesome Ben Franklin quote about beer? Refute that, atheist biznatch! Yes, I know Franklin was a deist, but...oh dear, I'm ranting.Comment
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Er...given your attention span, I should think that anything that did would have died long ago...Originally posted by Sava
they don't require my constant attention
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and not only are you qualified to make such a diagnosis, but you have certainly had experience with me outside these forums with which to make such an assertion...Originally posted by Elok
given your attention span
that's okay... I'm sure you are already aware you don't know what you are talking about.
But I won't take your comments personally. I know you are just lashing out because I called your precious bible "not a credible source".
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@ Elok - one thing I have learned is that when you pull out a cork of a bottle, then you also know when it's aproppiate to put it back in again. Please do that.
Not that I'm innocent - I'm half way down bottle no 3 of red wine.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Not really. I'm drunk and easily amused at the moment. But judging by your behavior on these forums...every few months, regular as clockwork: "This is it! I have had it with those hypocritical republicans! This is the end of their BS!" Then you forget about it after the next episode of 24. I'm no bin Laden, but I know you can't run a jihad that way, dammit. No wonder the democrats have been impotent for years, if you're a sample of their boosters. Gah.Comment
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Sorry, but SCOTUS has ruled that, if one party can spell "appropriate" and the other can't, party A can lecture party B and not vice-versa. And don't give me that "we aren't all under US jurisdiction" crap. Bush still has a few more years to discover disjointed rumors of nukes in Denmark.Originally posted by BlackCat
@ Elok - one thing I have learned is that when you pull out a cork of a bottle, then you also know when it's aproppiate to put it back in again. Please do that.
Not that I'm innocent - I'm half way down bottle no 3 of red wine.Comment
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Ehrm, no. You are drunk and obnoxious.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Well, hail to the mighty Elok. I tremble in fear while Bush deploys his nukes against me on the advice of the mighty advisor ElokOriginally posted by Elok
Sorry, but SCOTUS has ruled that, if one party can spell "appropriate" and the other can't, party A can lecture party B and not vice-versa. And don't give me that "we aren't all under US jurisdiction" crap. Bush still has a few more years to discover disjointed rumors of nukes in Denmark.
Don't you think that you need some sleep ?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Originally posted by Elok
Not really. I'm drunk and easily amused at the moment. But judging by your behavior on these forums...every few months, regular as clockwork: "This is it! I have had it with those hypocritical republicans! This is the end of their BS!" Then you forget about it after the next episode of 24. I'm no bin Laden, but I know you can't run a jihad that way, dammit. No wonder the democrats have been impotent for years, if you're a sample of their boosters. Gah.
I must really annoy you. It's just a shame it takes getting drunk for you to become entertaining. 
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That was not advice, but merely a prediction. Bush doesn't listen to advice. Advice is for the weak. Listening to advice is tantamount to standing up in front of the UN and announcing, "I have no penis." Silly europeans don't know that though.Originally posted by BlackCat
Well, hail to the mighty Elok. I tremble in fear while Bush deploys his nukes against me on the advice of the mighty advisor Elok
Don't you think that you need some sleep ?
Wait a minute, I didn't say anything about LAUNCHING nukes. Dadblast it, you're doing it again....oooooh, you're lucky you've had all that red wine, or such a scolding you would get for your poor reading comprehension skills.
Sava: You don't annoy, me, sorry. That was merely an observation compounded by my natural cantankerositude.Comment
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Well, I'm kind of reliefed that you aren't an advisor for Bush - then there still may be hope for us.Actually, I consider it a small blunder from your side that you aren't aware of the fact that our prime minister is a good friend of yourpresidentOriginally posted by Elok
That was not advice, but merely a prediction. Bush doesn't listen to advice. Advice is for the weak. Listening to advice is tantamount to standing up in front of the UN and announcing, "I have no penis." Silly europeans don't know that though.
You didn't have to say such - it was a part of the message just as what you have written elsewhere. Not that you need a disclaimer that tells what you don't mean, just be more careful when you express your opinion.Wait a minute, I didn't say anything about LAUNCHING nukes. Dadblast it, you're doing it again....oooooh, you're lucky you've had all that red wine, or such a scolding you would get for your poor reading comprehension skills.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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