Canada is a free country now

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
but note, despite my wishes I am not canadian...

so my thinking has no real meaning

JM

You seem quite interested in Canadian topics. I think we should make you an honourary Canadian.

[Asher]

Jon Miller for Prime Minister

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Wezil


You seem quite interested in Canadian topics. I think we should make you an honourary Canadian.

Already done, by an Act of the Apolyton Parliament under PM Zilka no less, quite some time ago.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
it is the onsite nature of it

the rest is fine

JM

But doesn't that lead to artificial distinctions. Lets imagine the club is fine but the sex rooms are against the law. So the owner of the club rents out those rooms to Tim and Tammy, two club regulars, who live far away. Tim and Tammy do live there whenever they are in the city. BUt most nights the club is open, Tim and Tammy invite each and every person present back to "their place" for "some fun".

Does it matter if the club owner rents the rooms to Tim and tammy? How about if a third party uninvolved landlord rented the rooms and the club to the respective people? How about if the "club" were really the bar in a small hotel which is open generally but which is closed once a week for a "private function"?

I can think of dozens of scenarios where the layout is not that different from what the club in the court case had and which would clearly not be a crime. Couldn't the club owner have created a personal apartment on the premises where he brought his sexual conquests? Would the fact that there were 10 of them at a time change anything?

I find the legalities on this fascinating

[Flubber]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Already done, by an Act of the Apolyton Parliament under PM Zilka no less, quite some time ago.

and well deserved no doubt but I still don't know about the results of ther election that brought Zilka to the PM post. There were far too many 'hanging chads" for my liking

[notyoueither]

You're right. There are ways around a lot of laws.

Bar owners in Edmonton are keeping their clientelle after the smoking ban by parking buses next to the premises. They invite their 'friends' to have a smoke in their 'personal vehicle'.

Bylaw officers visited two such bars. They said that one was fine, since it was registered and 'roadworthy' (also parked on a public street) and thus none of their business. The second they said required a development permit, since they somehow determined that it is not 'roadworthy' (how bylaw officers knew that nobody knows) despite it being started up and moved for them to see. It is parked on private land and was not registered when they visited.

Then you can look at the laws surrounding 'escorts' and prostitution. The same act that is illegal on the street is perfectly legal in a hotel room.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Flubber


and well deserved no doubt but I still don't know about the results of ther election that brought Zilka to the PM post. There were far too many 'hanging chads" for my liking

I think Ming was spotted near the ballot boxes.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by notyoueither

Then you can look at the laws surrounding 'escorts' and prostitution. The same act that is illegal on the street is perfectly legal in a hotel room.

I have no firsthand knowledge (really, I don't) but as I understand it escort services charge an "introduction fee" and the actual sex $$ is negotiated by the parties involved.

Distinction w/o a difference? Maybe.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by notyoueither

Then you can look at the laws surrounding 'escorts' and prostitution. The same act that is illegal on the street is perfectly legal in a hotel room.

True but the rationale behind that law was they wanted to "minimize the annoyance and disruption caused by street solicitation".. As I think about it, street vendors generally need a form of licence, should a streetwalker need a street vendor's licence?

Originally posted by notyoueither
You're right. There are ways around a lot of laws.

Very true and some of them not that difficult at all

Originally posted by notyoueither


Bar owners in Edmonton are keeping their clientelle after the smoking ban by parking buses next to the premises. They invite their 'friends' to have a smoke in their 'personal vehicle'.

Bylaw officers visited two such bars. They said that one was fine, since it was registered and 'roadworthy' (also parked on a public street) and thus none of their business. The second they said required a development permit, since they somehow determined that it is not 'roadworthy' (how bylaw officers knew that nobody knows) despite it being started up and moved for them to see. It is parked on private land and was not registered when they visited.

I love it. Was there drinking in those buses since I could see problems associated with that.

More generally I'm not getting into the smoking issue with you except to say I like and attend smoke-free bars but still think there should be bars that cater to smokers.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Wezil


I have no firsthand knowledge (really, I don't) but as I understand it escort services charge an "introduction fee" and the actual sex $$ is negotiated by the parties involved.

Distinction w/o a difference? Maybe.

Thats their story although recent Calgary court cases indicated the agencies posted rates were all-inclusive. They have generally charged the agencies with living off the avails of prostitution (pimping) but there is nothing to charge the prostitute-- She has broken no laws as long as she only prostitutes herself.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Flubber
I love it. Was there drinking in those buses since I could see problems associated with that.

More generally I'm not getting into the smoking issue with you except to say I like and attend smoke-free bars but still think there should be bars that cater to smokers.

No drinking in the buses, AFAIK. Unless... is it legal to drink in a parked vehicle, or is that a public place?

Certainly would be a problem with the liquor board though.

And I don't want to rehash smoking either, it's just an interesting case of people cicumventing 'the system'.

[Beta]

Originally posted by Wezil
It hasn't been an issue with my contacts either and I'm in that part of Ontario NYE is hoping will be outraged by this. We aren't. Most people I've spoken too haven't heard of the decision and are not bothered when told of it.

This is true.

Originally posted by Wezil
95% of the debate I've heard on the topic has been right here - and that by predominently one poster. If the Conservatives try to make this an election issue they will deserve the loss they have coming anyway.

I pray regularly that this is the case, and I'm not religious in the least.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by notyoueither


No drinking in the buses, AFAIK. Unless... is it legal to drink in a parked vehicle, or is that a public place?

Certainly would be a problem with the liquor board though.

Its not-- open liquor in a motor vehicle is an offence under highway traffic legislation IIRC and can fdraw a heavy fine. Plus if someone drinking had the keys to the bus, they could be charged with impaired driving since you don't need to actually drive to face that charge.

Plus-- serving liquor on the bus would be a huge problem for the liquor board.

All told though I like it-- It gives the smokers a warm place to go while chatting up a smoking honey and who knows, if they put in some music and lights, it could be quite the party bus

[Beta]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
but note, despite my wishes I am not canadian...

so my thinking has no real meaning

JM

Jon - you will always be a Canadian to me. And you seemd more attuned to Canadian issues than many. C'mon up and join us. Yes, I'll vote for you for Prime Minister. We should start a serious campaign ....

Also, our annual Grey Cup game is waaaay more interesting than that sleeper of a football game they have down there every year.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Flubber


Its not-- open liquor in a motor vehicle is an offence under highway traffic legislation IIRC and can fdraw a heavy fine.

Yes.

Plus if someone drinking had the keys to the bus, they could be charged with impaired driving since you don't need to actually drive to face that charge.

"Care and control" is the determinent. You can be passed out in the back seat with the keys in your pocket and be convicted of impaired driving.