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what do the people in power have to do with it?Originally posted by Az
MikeH
I do think it's rectifiable - but the question is do the people in power want it rectified?
this is something that culture has to change..
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And that change is gradual. The "monkey trial" was less than a century ago.
As much as this stuff frustrates me, one has to admit that we've come a long way in a relatively short time (in comparison to other historical changes).
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I think ID fundamentally has more merit as an idea than creationism. If the creationists move to IDism, then that's progress in my book.Originally posted by KrazyHorse
No it won't. Otherwise it wouldn't be an issue at all.
And I don't think this is that big of an issue, so that dog doesn't hunt, anyway.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Two solutions: (1) work to raise scientific literacy in the general populace; and (2) work to raise the standard of science reporting in the mainstream media. There are no shortcuts.That could be environmental groups or oil companies or whoever. So, for instance, we're told over and over again in the media that antarctica is melting but we're not told stuff like it's melting at the edges but seems to be actually thickening in the middle and we don't actually know if it's losing mass...
The other problem is that the general public isn't scientifically literate enough to tell the difference between pseudoscience like ID and real science. If you make it sound complicated enough, they might well believe it!
Plus the general standard of science reporting in mainstream media is appalling.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Education, you mean?1) work to raise scientific literacy in the general populace
Buwahahahaha!(2) work to raise the standard of science reporting in the mainstream media.
Seriously, it would be nice, but how?
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Life going from bacteria to worms is also progress...Originally posted by DanS
I think ID fundamentally has more merit as an idea than creationism. If the creationists move to IDism, then that's progress in my book.
but it's a far cry from human intelligence
although not so much a far cry for some people
but for low standards!
I dunno... but if I were you, I'd be ashamed to have those morons in my party.
But I get it, you guys (the corporatists) are just exploiting the religionists for their votes.
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Yes, that's precisely what I mean.Originally posted by Arrian
Education, you mean?
No shortcuts.
The Wall Street Journal takes non-financial writers and trains them in financial matters. The result is rather high quality. There is no reason why the same can't be done with science.Seriously, it would be nice, but how?
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Ask me again in about 4 months.Originally posted by Arrian
Seriously, it would be nice, but how?"In the beginning was the Word. Then came the ******* word processor." -Dan Simmons, HyperionComment
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Well, perhaps papers/magazines that are primarily aimed at reporting about scientific theory/discovery *do* have quality. But he said the mainstream media, and the MSM doesn't really encompass, say, Science & Nature, does it?
The WSJ does what it does, presumably, because there is a big enough market for financial news/advice. Could a large paper take up a science-news concentration and succeed? Maybe. Maybe not.
-Arrian
p.s. Education - yeah, like learning about the ToE, not creationist bull****.grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
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Science education of the masses is neglected by scientists all the time. A lawsuit won't suddenly make it all better.p.s. Education - yeah, like learning about the ToE, not creationist bull****.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Wait... scientists are neglecting education of the masses? Isn't that the job of the public education system? Which, of course, is controlled by the public, which is ignorant (hence our problem).
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It's dual responsibility.Wait... scientists are neglecting education of the masses? Isn't that the job of the public education system?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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So you think that scientists should organize and enter the "culture war" in earnest, then? Because scientists taking an active role in educating the public about science *will* trigger an aggressive response from the fundies.
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I don't know of any culture war that would stop scientists from teaching science class. It seems to me that this prospect is rather absurd.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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