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Originally posted by Sava
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they just sit there and eat up all the oxygen...
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Logging companies
Trees don't eat oxygen, they create oxygen. But old trees don't create as much oxygen as young trees, so just swing the axe!!!
Logging
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It's funny that Chemical Ollie is the one who supports logging so much, considering that he is always horrified by the genocide of 100 million Swedish trees during a storm earlier this year...
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It's funny that Chemical Ollie is the one who supports logging so much, considering that he is always horrified by the genocide of 100 million Swedish trees during a storm earlier this year...
Have you ever tried to chop a tree that is already half-fallen? You risk your life doing it. My buddy has had several incidents where he was very close to getting severe injuries while clearing his storm-damaged forest. About a dozen others in my region were less lucky and died in accidents related to storm-clearing. Chopping standing trees is much safer.
Also, there isn't enough capacity to consume that amount of trees while the wood is still fresh, meaning sawn timber and paper production is out of the question after a while. The only thing those trees will be good for is firewood, which pays much less for the forest owner. So the 100 million fallen trees will cause a huge loss of money.
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Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
Have you ever tried to chop a tree that is already half-fallen? You risk your life doing it.
Please explain. Why is it so much more dangerous than chopping trees that are standing?
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Please explain. Why is it so much more dangerous than chopping trees that are standing?
Half-fallen trees are often under heavy tension, like steel spring-coils. So when you cut them, they can jump and hit you in the face when you least expect it, or push the rolling chain-saw upwards to cut your forehead.
When you cut standing trees, you have total control of the gravity. You can chose the direction a tree will fall by the way you cut it. Quite often you use logging vehicles that do all the job for you, so you work from inside a safe and convenient steering cabin. That's often impossible in a storm felled forest, so you have to do all the logging by manual labour.
Last edited by Chemical Ollie; December 17, 2005, 20:14.
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Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
Half-fallen trees are often under heavy tension, like steel spring-coils. So when you cut them, they can jump and hit you in the face when you least expect it, or push the rolling chain-saw upwards to cut your forehead.
But if they are so tense, wouldn't it be fairly easy to axe them down, rather than using the chainsaw?
Yes, an axe is tiresome, but a chainsaw is fricking dangerous when there is no full control.
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There is no excuse for clearcutting except for showing short-term profits to please Wall Street every 3 months. Logging should be spaced out over a large area insted of clearcutting one small area at a time, you'll get the same amount of lumber with very little ecological damage.
This is why capitalism is no longer apropriate for the modern world, it requires continual economic growth and short-term profit, which is MADDNESS when our survival depends on sustainablity of our natural resources.
The trees are still spring coils that can jump and hit your face if you use an axe to cut them. And a majority of the deaths are people who get buried alive and suffocates under the flipped root system when it flips back. Don't ask me how people manage to get under the roots, but that's a common cause of death in storm forests.
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Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
... old trees don't create as much oxygen as young trees ...
Interesting statement. One would think that old trees would be bigger and that bigger trees would put out more oygen than younger, smaller trees. Any idea what the cause is of this phenomenon.
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