God and the stone

[Sarxis]

The real question should be: can God make himself so weak that there would be a stone that he couldn't lift?

Yes. It happened through his own son, who took the form of a man and then died for everyone on Earth because of our rebellion.

But know this: the weakness of God is stronger than men; the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom.

[Bill3000]

I would rather say that if there is an intelligent god, he knows all of the rules of the universe (multiverse?) and takes advantage of that knowledge, rather than breaking them.

[Arrian]

The "Groundhog Day" version of God.

"Maybe God's just been around so long that he knows everything..."



Bill Murray
Religion


-Arrian

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Bill3000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

Give up Bill, I tried to demonstrate how silly the omnipotence paradox makes theism look, but they just ignore the point. People seem to want to believe in the Father Christmas for grown ups no matter what you tell them...

[Robert]

I'm just trying a little bit of philosophy.
what happened to the old days in which we had some good debates and discussions?

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by CyberShy
I'm just trying a little bit of philosophy.
what happened to the old days in which we had some good debates and discussions?

I refuted your argument, you said I didn't read it properly

[child of Thor]

apparantly there is a 'god particle' that science knows of but cant prove. God is in the gaps of scientific knowledge?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3546973.stm

[Bill3000]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison


Give up Bill, I tried to demonstrate how silly the omnipotence paradox makes theism look, but they just ignore the point. People seem to want to believe in the Father Christmas for grown ups no matter what you tell them...

Uh, that same link solves the omnipotence paradox through philosophy, without eliminating the idea of theism as being possible...

It also comes to the conclusion that an omnipotent being can only do the logically possible, (e.g. it cannot make 2 + 2 = 5, or square a circle) as doing so makes logic useless.

And no - The Higgs boson is called the "god particle" because it is so significantly important to particle physics, and its empirical discovery would be incredibly significant, not that it has anything to do with an omnipotent being.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison


I refuted your argument, you said I didn't read it properly

You just came with your own ramble on the omnipotence paradox. It completely ignored my ramble. Try to look up both "refuting" and "ignoring" in your dictionary :P

Ps. your own vision of the omnipotence paradox is old, boring and predictable, that's why I tried something new :P

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by CyberShy


You just came with your own ramble on the omnipotence paradox. It completely ignored my ramble. Try to look up both "refuting" and "ignoring" in your dictionary :P

Ps. your own vision of the omnipotence paradox is old, boring and predictable, that's why I tried something new :P

Being new, boring, and predictable, isn't much better. In many ways it worse, actually.

[Whoha]

God could cheat and change the rules so that he could make a stone so heavy it couldn't be lifted. then cheat, change the rules back and lift it. does that count?

[FrostyBoy]

HERE'S THE ANSWER!!!:

YOU HAVE TO BE OMNISCIENT TO MAKE SENSE OF THE PARADOX.


Phew! I got it..

[Berzerker]

Once we saw the enormity of space, god took on a cloak of omnipotence unsupported by ancient scriptures.

[Capt Dizle]

In order to believe in God, one must believe in His ability to operate outside of the laws of physics and logic. I just think of it in terms of a box in which He has placed us, requiring faith. If there were a rational basis upon which to believe in Him, it would be apparent to all, and all would believe, not of free will, but of acknowledgement of fact.

But if God revealed Himself in fact, we would know Him and love Him in response to His attributes as God, which would render us no more to him than a tree. God created us in His own image, with free will, to love Him and to love goodness, or to make the choice to follow ourselves in our own limited wisdom.

Love requires faith. Faith requires far more than can every be supported by the evidence at hand.

We have a choice.

[FrostyBoy]

"God created us in His own image"

I was pondering about this last week..

What if our 'image' is not our human body, but what makes us up, at the micro level. Superstrings?

Which is why I said in the other post, God (probably) IS EVERYTHING.

And to think of it like this, all 3 omni's would make sense.