Iran's President a holocaust denier

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
The homes were largely given to the hundreds of thousands of Jews who fled arab countries at the same time - who did not receive compensation for their homes, land, or businesses.

So what, exactly, is the policy? That one crime deserves another? Do you think the Palestianian refugees were somehow responsible for the Jews who lost their Arab lands?

But at any rate, To China's response; all parties should realize that the past is the past, and that such vitriol benefits nobody.

[dannubis]

one bullet... and that problem would be solved.

[Edan]

Originally posted by dannubis
one bullet... and that problem would be solved.

Only if you had all his hardline backers in a row with him.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cyclotron


So what, exactly, is the policy? That one crime deserves another? Do you think the Palestianian refugees were somehow responsible for the Jews who lost their Arab lands?

But at any rate, To China's response; all parties should realize that the past is the past, and that such vitriol benefits nobody.

the policy with all post WW2 exchanges of populations was that once done it was done. Happened between India and Pakistan, Poles left areas annexed to USSR, in turn Poles went in to areas formerly German, as did Czechs. As MarkG will remind us, there were major exchanges in the Balkans before and after WW1. No rights of return in any of those cases - those who left, did not remain stateless, but were absorbed in their own national states, though with modified borders.

Those Palestinians who have not established new lives in the Arab world (where there have been deliberate attempts to keep them from starting new lives, in part at least to keep the issue alive vis a vis Israel) may return to the new Palestinian state to be established as a result of negotiations with Israel. Compensation for lost properties will need to be determined, but in deciding how much Israel should compensate them, (as opposed to Arab states) the uncompensated loss of Jewish property in the Arab world will need to be taken into account.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by dannubis
one bullet... and that problem would be solved.

Nah, there are plenty more from where he came from.

[dannubis]

the same goes for the bullets

and as a plus, if done properly, only the bastards are dead.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
the policy with all post WW2 exchanges of populations was that once done it was done. Happened between India and Pakistan, Poles left areas annexed to USSR, in turn Poles went in to areas formerly German, as did Czechs. As MarkG will remind us, there were major exchanges in the Balkans before and after WW1. No rights of return in any of those cases - those who left, did not remain stateless, but were absorbed in their own national states, though with modified borders.

In the year 2005 there are, as far as I am aware, no refugees to be repatriated from those cases. There are no longer German refugees waiting in camps on the Polish border, kicked out of Poland at the end of WWII. There are, however, Palestinian refugees in the year 2005, making any attempt to dismiss it as "past history" ridiculous.

...Compensation for lost properties will need to be determined, but in deciding how much Israel should compensate them, (as opposed to Arab states) the uncompensated loss of Jewish property in the Arab world will need to be taken into account.

This is a convenient way of blaming all Arabs for the actions of a select few Arab leaders.

I'm going to give it up - I don't want to threadjack this entirely. Suffice it to say that I think the analogy of Jews in the ME and Muslim immigrants in Europe is a very poor one.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cyclotron


In the year 2005 there are, as far as I am aware, no refugees to be repatriated from those cases. There are no longer German refugees waiting in camps on the Polish border, kicked out of Poland at the end of WWII. There are, however, Palestinian refugees in the year 2005, making any attempt to dismiss it as "past history" ridiculous.

Correct, and the question is why? Palestinians have been kept in refugee camps, and prevented from integrating into the countries to which they moved, in part as a deliberate method of keeping up the claim on Israel. The Arabs have done something that the Germans, Pakistanis, Indians, Macedonians, etc did NOT do - use refugees as a political tool.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cyclotron

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This is a convenient way of blaming all Arabs for the actions of a select few Arab leaders.

Im not blaming anyone. History happens. Wars happen. Im merely saying it was not unreasonable of the Israeli govt in 1949 and 1950 to keep the Pals out, and use their abandoned property to resettle Jewish refugees. The question is what is the best thing to do about it now. And I think compensation is appropriate, and the considerations i raised above need to be included in discussions of compensation.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Correct, and the question is why? Palestinians have been kept in refugee camps, and prevented from integrating into the countries to which they moved, in part as a deliberate method of keeping up the claim on Israel. The Arabs have done something that the Germans, Pakistanis, Indians, Macedonians, etc did NOT do - use refugees as a political tool.

Though the exploitation of refugees is probably more common than that, I generally agree. It's a deplorable tactic, and has certainly made the whole situation much more difficult.

Nevertheless, the claim they have is not entirely manufactured; whether scared into leaving by the Arabs or scared into leaving by the Israelis (likely some of both), they were basically chased and deceived out of their land and prevented by both sides from either having it back or attaining some kind of recompense through diplomacy.

Okay, now I'm really done. No more.

[Last Conformist]

How many of the "refugees" today were actually around back in the day?

[Barnabas]

I think the iranian guy is right but now it is too late.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

It certainly is too late, because now an entire forum thinks you're a moron.

[Dr Strangelove]

Indeed one might wonder why the Iranian president bothered to deny the holocaust since the situation of the Palestinians stands as an issue on its own?

[Straybow]

Wait a minute... is this supposed to be a surprise or something?

People all over the middle east actually think the Mossad did 9/11 and framed the good ol' boys from Saudi Arabia.