Arnold must decide if killer is executed

[Winston]

I suppose at least the media of California are going to miss this guy.

At the moment it's being reported he is in a white hearse on I-5 just south of Bakersfield.

No kidding.

[Grandpa Troll]

This is a reason to wait to be absolutely sure a person is guilty before executing the death sentence

This doesnt mean all are innocent but in some cases it may come true innocent was put to death

Gramps

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
Mark as an intelligent man, I would ask you what you mean..because we are talking of a murderer here who got what he deserved under the U S Laws governing California not your laws but Californias laws and I agree The U S Laws dont allways coincide with God's Law

the argument that "it's the law, he must die" is baseless. the fact that there is a law ordering for something does not necessarily mean that it's the right thing to do.

for example there used to be racist laws in the us and other countries. the fact that they existed didnt mean they should be applied. they were wrong and changed.

[rah]

While I am still pro capital punishment, I have started to have doubts due to the way it is administered. The racial aspect, the length of time, and just incompetence of some defense consulers.
But the main reason that I support it is deterence. While I agree that it doesn't always deter, (gangbangers in particular) I remember a study done when I was younger. Inmates in California that were in prison for commiting robberies using fake guns were asked why they used fake guns. Almost all of them said it was so they wouldn't qualify for the death penalty if caught. (at the time this was one of the dividing lines)

Now the way I figure it, no robber has every killed anyone with a fake gun. If they had used real guns a greater number of victums than 0 would have probably been killed during the crime. That alone is a good reason to consider it.

And I think it's necessary option for dealing with prisoners with life sentences. What is the deterence from killing prison guards? Another life sentence? No desert?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by MarkG

the argument that "it's the law, he must die" is baseless. the fact that there is a law ordering for something does not necessarily mean that it's the right thing to do.

for example there used to be racist laws in the us and other countries. the fact that they existed didnt mean they should be applied. they were wrong and changed.

Ok

So I take it you dont think anyone should be executed (under the death penalty?)

I am simply asking, mano-e-mano, what we should do?

I certaainly am not "Death-Penalty" is only option, but we need to have some deterent other than being caged up and possibly attacking inmates/guards for the duration of their lives.

I dont have all the answer nor do you nor anyone else here.

What we all do share Mark, is a desire to see less harm come to the human race.

I am not putting words in your mouth nor anyone elses, simply admitting that options could be available.

I just think we have become far too soft on criminals of a violent nature.

I hve been involved for years with Prison Ministries and have listened to people tell me face to face inside the Prison Walls that they were victimized and dont care of they spend the rest of their days in Prison.

I have also spoke to people who have talked of the whole subculture within the system and the tradgies it produces.

It is sad.

it is heartwrenching.

It is a terrible thing.

But what of the families whose loved ones were working at a bank and were killed?

Walking home and were killed in cold blood?

Where is their justice?

Their loved ones taken from them and the killers left to live in a cage for who knows how long, possibly escaping one day?

I ask simply if there should be a severe penalty?

No evidence exists to prove the Death penalty stops anything has been heard here and over and over again.

How do we know that when we execute a violent Felon it does NOT stop untold numbers from doing the unthinkable of murdering another Human being?

I dont think you or I could answer that nor anyone else here?

Just sharing a few thought my friend

Bruce

[Provost Harrison]

Looks like Arnie let him be killed...he must have thought his name was John Connor...

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
the death penalty is not punishment, its revenge.

To the extent that any punishment whatsoever is considered "revenge" by some...

Strapping the criminal down and letting the victims' families beat him to death with crowbars... that would be revenge.

Originally posted by Ted Striker
[OJ and Blake] (which were both tried in California) have EVERYTHING to do with this case.

Those ****ers were beyond guilty, yet were not put to death.

[snip a bit]

The death penalty is flat out racist. That's not an opinion, that is flat out fact.

Do you support a racist system then?

Own goal. If the DP and the CA/Fed system were racist OJ would be on death row and Blake walking free.

The DP as a deterrent works every time. The executed criminal never commits another crime.

Take Mary Scott, a supervisor at DFCS where a couple of my friends worked. She was killed at work after hours by the janitor in '96. By a man who had been convicted of murder in the early '80s and sentenced to death, whose sentence was overturned, and who was then sentenced to life with possibility of parole. In ~1994 a Federal judge ordered Federal prisons in Georgia to release about 1500 prisoners to relieve overcrowding.

The state asked for time to review cases to select the least violent etc, but the judge denied that request. The murderer was released, and he repeated his crime. If it had been one of my friends working late that night...

Fact: if he had been rightfully executed Mary Scott would not have been killed.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
But what of the families whose loved ones were working at a bank and were killed?

another murder wont bring their loved ones back

Where is their justice?

Their loved ones taken from them and the killers left to live in a cage for who knows how long, possibly escaping one day?

justice != revenge

[MarkG]

Originally posted by rah
Almost all of them said it was so they wouldn't qualify for the death penalty if caught. (at the time this was one of the dividing lines)

i would suppose that they wouldnt even get life

simple robbery (with no murder) would get you 20 years or so?

having real guns means that you rick being in a situation that you might end up killing someone even though your original intention was to take the money and leave without harming anyone. something bad happens and you end up with robbery and murder, e.g. DP

so you remove the risk by not using real guns...

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Straybow
The DP as a deterrent works every time. The executed criminal never commits another crime.

Take Mary Scott, a supervisor at DFCS where a couple of my friends worked. She was killed at work after hours by the janitor in '96. By a man who had been convicted of murder in the early '80s and sentenced to death, whose sentence was overturned, and who was then sentenced to life with possibility of parole. In ~1994 a Federal judge ordered Federal prisons in Georgia to release about 1500 prisoners to relieve overcrowding.

The state asked for time to review cases to select the least violent etc, but the judge denied that request. The murderer was released, and he repeated his crime. If it had been one of my friends working late that night...

Fact: if he had been rightfully executed Mary Scott would not have been killed.

By that logic, why not summarily execute all criminals? They certainly wouldn't commit any more crimes.

[Kuciwalker]

We don't think the crime was severe enough to merit the punishment.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
We don't think the crime was severe enough to merit the punishment.

If that guy who stole my hubcaps had been executed, he wouldn't have come back a month later and stolen my neighbor's headlights. What ever happened to deterrence?

The DP as a deterrent works every time. The executed criminal never commits another crime.

To be serious, however, this is laughable. Yes, the innocent man who is executed never commits another crime either - but then, he never did.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Cyclotron
If that guy who stole my hubcaps had been executed, he wouldn't have come back a month later and stolen my neighbor's headlights. What ever happened to deterrence?

Are you being deliberately stupid?

[Dis]

It's official. They are changing the name of Arnold Swarchenegger stadium in Austria.

Austrians are a bunch of weenies.

http://www.thisislondon.com/showbiz/articles/21213348?source=Metro

[The Mad Viking]

Racist, schmasist.

Why does every other civilized western country do just fine w/o the death penalty?

Why does the US have the highest crime rates despite having it?

How does the DP "protect society" as some poster suggest, compared to life in prison?

How can people who know that both the government and the justice system are corrupt and error-prone be so enthusiastic about giving them the power of life and death over citizens?

(A. - Because they are sure it will never be applied to them. Mistakes that happen to people they don't know don't really bother them.)

25 years in jail, and THEN you kill him?



Medieval States of America

How are those torture laws coming? Sewn in enough loopholes yet?