Bush admin flip flopping again

[Jon Miller]

you were suggesting that oral sex was sex

I said that sex was things that involved genitalia.. then you tried to confuse the issue (Because my statement is neither neccesary or sufficient)

but that doesn't change the fact that your statement about trouser sex was stupid, and you are wrong about your statement of anal and oral sex not being sex (I am sorry, if you have engaged in those things with men, then you have had sex with men.. (same with women))

JM

[Pekka]

looks like you are confused. I think I made my point.

[Jon Miller]

no you didn't

JM

[Vince278]

Its hard to simplify a subject as complex but I'll try:

Sex = Getting Off.

It doesn't matter how many are involved or how its done. Somebody is getting off in some way. It all depends on the participant's perceptions.

So yes, oral sex is sex. Using trousers or nipples is also sex if that is what works for you.

[DRoseDARs]

Laura Bush once quiped that her husband jerked off a horse, though she used nicer terms. Is that beastiality?

[Jon Miller]

if it turned him on...

Jm
(I think that stuff is nasty, although I know that people who deal with animals have been doing it for a long time)

[DRoseDARs]

Judging by the look he shot her, yes.

[Pekka]

Jon, My point is, you hardly make the rules of sex. Or most of us in that regard, myself included.

I mean come one, you have like secondary genitalia and all other stuff, great for comedy material. Seriously, you have your own view of it and that's fine, that's sex for you so you're not wrong to say that.

Don't claim facts however, because you're making this all up.

[Vince278]

Meets my definition. The horse got off, and he liked doing it (if he really did it in the first place).

[Jon Miller]

what that post was refering to **** was your coment about hand not being sex by my definition

hand on genitalia still involves genitalia, and is so is sex..

I admit to backing off a bit, and saying that sex is not defined by genitalia

but (most) actions involving genitalia are sex.. and that is not me making up the rules of sex, that is the definition of sex, held by people who communicate

so no, I am not making this all up

I was just declaring the common definitions

and you said about pleasing with the hand, not the with the genitals, and I said wtf, genitals were still involved (likely) or secondary things.. (Where upon I backed off my statement of genitalia being neccesary and sufficient)

somoene jerking someone else off is sex, or someone fingering someone else is sex...

and wtih my talk of secondary, I Was primarily thinking of the prostate being accessed through the anus...

Jon Miller

[Pekka]

nope. Sex is bigger entity than getting off.

First off, you can get off yourself. Teenagers get off without realizing it in non-sexual context. Did they have sex? Well not likely.

You can have sex and NOT get off.

You can have sex and not even like it.

No, I don't like your definition.

[Jon Miller]

I think I Am a bit tired, so will be going to bed..

I think that has confused things somewhat

JM

[Pekka]

No, you just misunderstood. I said pleasing with the hand, and not even necessarily genitalia. Not a handjob.

"How about when partner pleases the other one with a hand. But not necessarily with the genitals. Is that not sex?"

YOu see, you made the whole genitalia thing up in your mind. You assumed I meant handjob. I didn't.

[Pekka]

Ok, remember not to stick anything in your butt while sleeping, because you'd be not having sex. Or would you. Or is that secondary genitalia too???

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Pekka
No, you just misunderstood. I said pleasing with the hand, and not even necessarily genitalia. Not a handjob.

"How about when partner pleases the other one with a hand. But not necessarily with the genitals. Is that not sex?"

YOu see, you made the whole genitalia thing up in your mind. You assumed I meant handjob. I didn't.

no I didn't

I refered to touching someone elses finger

and said that wasn't sex for normal people

don't change what I Say

JM