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  • #16
    Originally posted by DanS


    For somebody in homogeneous area, it seems awful forced. It's applying a compromise hashed out in New York City to Main Street USA.

    ...

    Not in most areas of the country.
    Fair enough - the country still is very Christian. So I understand why it would feel a little forced/wierd. Here in teh impure New England, however, it seems perfectly reasonable.

    -Arrian
    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by DanS

      Not in most areas of the country.
      But most people in the country don't live in most areas of the country.

      Out of curiosity, how many non-Christians are needed in an area to make "Happy Holidays" acceptable? I've lived in and around large cities my whole life, so there's always been a sizable non-Christian contingent.



      And don't fret, conservative Christians. Some retailers are on your side. Why, just a few days ago, I received a Victoria's Secret catalogue with "Christmas 2005!" right on the cover!
      "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
      "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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      • #18
        See what a good Christian organization Victoria's Secret is?

        -Arrian
        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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        • #19
          Actually if the mention of Christmas offends people, why don't they just ask Congress to remove it as a holiday?
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #20
            In case you weren't paying attention, DD, it's the failure to mention Christmas at all that seems to have the Religious Right's collective panties in a wad (to continue the VS theme).
            "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
            "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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            • #21
              I always thought "Happy Holidays" was meant to incorporate "Merry Christmas" and "Happy New Year" into a single greeting.

              But I'm an atheist so what do I know.
              "Stuie has the right idea" - Japher
              "I trust Stuie and all involved." - SlowwHand
              "Stuie is right...." - Guynemer

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              • #22
                Merry Christmas + Happy New Year + Happy Channukah + someotherpaganthingamabob

                That's what I thought.

                -Arrian
                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Stuie
                  I always thought "Happy Holidays" was meant to incorporate "Merry Christmas" and "Happy New Year" into a single greeting.
                  You'd think people would accept that, wouldn't ya? But the Christians are so oppressed in this country, and they aren't gonna take it anymore!
                  "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
                  "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                    I find it a great way of filtering out idiots. I don't want to talk to anyone who is offended when I say "merry christmas."
                    QFT




                    I wonder what the Religious Right would think about the fact most irreligious WEans agree with them on this, if they knew it.
                    Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                    It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                    The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Guynemer
                      In case you weren't paying attention, DD,
                      I have been paying attention. And I'd say that it is pretty well settled that some people are offended by the mention of Christmas (Christmas vacation morphing into winter break, Holiday trees, banning employees from saying Merry Christmas, etc.) and that was the basis for my question. You obviously don't consider it to be a real issue but being overly PC just annoys me.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #26
                        someotherpaganthingamabob
                        Kwanza, etc.

                        Happy Holidays does reduce the importance of Christmas. That's the whole point of the phrase.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Guynemer
                          Out of curiosity, how many non-Christians are needed in an area to make "Happy Holidays" acceptable?
                          No number is sufficient. "Happy Holidays" is offense to my non-belief.
                          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                          It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                          The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by DanS


                            Kwanza, etc.

                            Happy Holidays does reduce the importance of Christmas. That's the whole point of the phrase.
                            Or you can see it as a simple acknowledgement of non-Christian holidays/beliefs. Which, of course, really upsets the Christian fundies. It might vaguely annoy you, but it really pisses them off.

                            -Arrian
                            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                            • #29
                              I don't think most non-Christians are offended by "Merry Christmas;" I'm certainly not. However, what is wrong with going to a more inclusive "Happy Holidays" language? Non-Christians, not offended by "Merry Christmas," nevertheless feel more comfortable and acknowledged with such language. What, exactly, is lost? How is it overly PC when there are relatively more non-Christians in America than there were a generation ago?


                              By the by--the Bush White House uses "Happy Holidays" exclusively, much to the chagrin of FoxNews, the American Family Association, etc.
                              "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
                              "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                              • #30
                                I don't think most non-Christians are offended by "Merry Christmas;" I'm certainly not. However, what is wrong with going to a more inclusive "Happy Holidays" language?


                                It's giving in to people who, for the good of society, should be shot.

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