Chavez wins big in Venezuela!

[techumseh]

What's with the roll eyes? Perhaps they are safer than writing an opinion which can be refuted?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by techumseh


Easy to say from here.

No, it's easy to say because I was watching news reports while the civil war was going on. Aristide's police force was getting wrecked by the rebels (who were still pretty well-armed from the breakup of the army).

You're a ****ing loon, dude. Bush didn't give a **** about Haiti. Aristide was running things nice and quietly. The last thing anybody wanted was violence to flare up again in that particular hellhole. Well, too bad. Aristide couldn't find his ass with both hands and a map. So our hand was forced. Pretty simple, really.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by techumseh
What's with the roll eyes? Perhaps they are safer than writing an opinion which can be refuted?

No, they're there because you have no ****ing clue. I'm done with you and the tin-foil hat brigade.

[techumseh]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


No, it's easy to say because I was watching news reports while the civil war was going on. Aristide's police force was getting wrecked by the rebels (who were still pretty well-armed from the breakup of the army).

You're a ****ing loon, dude. Bush didn't give a **** about Haiti. Aristide was running things nice and quietly. The last thing anybody wanted was violence to flare up again in that particular hellhole. Well, too bad. Aristide couldn't find his ass with both hands and a map. So our hand was forced. Pretty simple, really.

Why because you say so? The only simple thing about this is you.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by techumseh


Why because you say so? The only simple thing about this is you.

Have fun talking to yourself, son.

[techumseh]

It will save me the effort of actually finding all the references to refute all of your idiotic statements like "Bush didn't give a **** about Haiti". It's easy to do, but it's time consuming and, in the end, rather pointless.

[Arrian]

Interesting reading, although I find it lacking in regards to evidence and documentation. It talks about declaissified documents, and it makes assertions about a training facility in Ecuador used to train one of the opposition thugs (and he's pretty clearly a thug), but I don't see any backup for that.

Further, I'm still not buying the motive. Haiti is and has been a disaster area for what seems like forever. What does the US gain from keeping it a disaster area? I see references to garment factories. How much could that really be worth, in comparison to the cost of repeatedly sending in marines and the supposed financing of the rebellion?

-Arrian

[Arrian]

Paul Farmer, by the way, sounds like a great guy, right or wrong.

-Arrian

[Joseph]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Intervention in Haiti:
Bombing Serbia:
Invading Afghanistan:
Invading Iraq:
Funding terrorist groups in the 80s:
Supporting the attempted coup in Venezuela:

You miss a few, but that OK.

[techumseh]

Originally posted by Arrian
Interesting reading, although I find it lacking in regards to evidence and documentation. It talks about declaissified documents, and it makes assertions about a training facility in Ecuador used to train one of the opposition thugs (and he's pretty clearly a thug), but I don't see any backup for that.

Further, I'm still not buying the motive. Haiti is and has been a disaster area for what seems like forever. What does the US gain from keeping it a disaster area? I see references to garment factories. How much could that really be worth, in comparison to the cost of repeatedly sending in marines and the supposed financing of the rebellion?

-Arrian

I have not idea what the cost/benefit ratio is of intervening in Haiti yet again. The US maintains alliances with elites throughout the region and props them up as a matter of principle. They give a free hand to American business interests in exchange. Permitting real democracy is always risky, since it can produce unpredictable results unfavorable to the US. Venezuela is a good example.

In case you're interested, here's a list of the 55 US military interventions in the region since 1890: http://www2.truman.edu/~marc/resourc...rventions.html

And here is a comprehensive list of US military interventions abroad, since the founding of the Republic. It's a report prepared in 2002 for the US Congress: http://www.fas.org/man/crs/RL30172.pdf