Canadian government to fall

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
This is what I don't get. You say that the Conservatives insult people and that is the reason people in the East don't vote for them, yet the last few posts have shown the Liberal party insulting Canada's collective intelligence.

Wow. What a crappy play on words.

[DinoDoc]

Wow. That's such a DinoDoc response.

[November Adam]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Keep it up dude cause as long as you continue insulting people, it just means fewer people will vote conservative.

You are going to base your voting prefrences on something I say? I'm hoping you are not going to fall in for the Liberal "cause as much division in the populace as possible".

Most of the insults are more based out of a disbelief that those who support the Liberals contiune to do so even after the LIb's have stolen there money, and managaed to convince some that they (the Libs), are thieves but at least they aren't one of those scary conservatives.

Besides I've heard the insults thrown back, calling COnservatives nothing but redneck, homophobes.

I would have nothing against the liberal party or their policies if they where at least honest about them. That party needs an enema.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
How do you explain the continued Eastern support for the Liberals?

The quick answer is a lack of a viable alternative in most of Canada. Voters will stick with the incumbent, the party they know, rather than risk going with a party that could be a lot worse. Simply saying don't vote for them because they are bad is not enough.

Look at Mulroney. I didn't agree with much that he did, but there is no denying that he had a vision of where he wanted to take Canada. He offered a positive alternative rather than just saying don't vote for the Liberals because they are incompetant.

In Quebec, the Bloc have offered voters a viable alternative, and voters have moved away from the Liberals.

In the rest of Canada, many swing voters, meaning those who are not party loyalists, see no viable alternative.

The NDP are seen, rightly or wrongly, as a party that is trying not to lose rather than a party that is trying to win.

The Conservatives, again, rightly or wrongly, are seen as a party that offers no positive vision of where they want to take Canada. Instead, under Harper, the Conservatives are seen as negative party. They don't like homosexuals, they don't like eastern Canadians who don't vote Conservative, particularly the "dolts" the GTA. The Conservatives don't like what they see as the welfare bums in the Maritimes. They don't like the Canadian system and wish Canada was more like the states.

The big problem is with Harper. He is an angry poltician rather than a friendly one and that simply reinforces the view that the Conservatives are a party of hate. He has offered no great vision of where he wants to take Canada, other than saying that the Conservatives won't be as corrupt as the Liberals. That's not enough to sway swing voters.

[notyoueither]

Harper is campaigning on his own platform, not just against the Liberals.

[KrazyHorse]

Harper's campaign of promising tax cut after tax cut is getting boring quick...

He'd better come up with a new schtick.

[notyoueither]

Grants to parents, rather than state institutions for child care was a tax cut?

[KrazyHorse]

No, but it was a response to a Martin campaign plank (IIRC). So not a new policy initiative.

[KrazyHorse]

Opening up the GST debate was a good idea, though.

I will give him that much.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
No, but it was a response to a Martin campaign plank (IIRC). So not a new policy initiative.

It was the Conservatives view of how a major issue in Canadian politics, that is being decided currently, should be addressed.

Child care is not simply a Martin campaign plank. It's on the agenda of Parliament and all 10 provinces at this moment.

[notyoueither]

Furthermore, it was Martin who said 'me too' by saying that he would extend his policies, which date from the last budget and session of Parliament, after Harper started to take the campaign away with Childcare early in the policy a day fest.

[notyoueither]

Oh, I see today it is Cancer research, and this time it is Dosanjh saying 'me too'.

[notyoueither]

Harper is driving this campaign, and is doing so with Conservative policy, not campaigning on negatives about the Liberals.

Who would be fool enough to say something stupid like Harper is basing his campaign on bashing the Liberals?

[Tingkai]

Harper driving the campaign. That's funny.

Just because the Liberals coment on a Harper promise doesn't mean that Harper is driving the campaign. Every time any major political party makes an announcement, reporters will ask the other parties to comment.

Politics is about perception, and the perception of Conservatives, whether it is deserved or not, is that they are negative, against this, against that.

Besides, from what I'm reading and hearing, this election is stuck in neutral. People are more concerned about getting ready for the holidays than they are about the latest promise from a politician.

The problem for all the political parties is that they have yet to find a policy platform that will capture the voters' attentions.

[Jon Miller]

I think the dems are having the same problems as the conservatives..

JM