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Originally posted by Oerdin
How is that idiotoc?
How is that idiotoc?
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The assumption that he's the target is what amused me. Unless you have something more substantive you don't feel the need to share.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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The assumption published by Reuters?Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Bob Woodward was trashing Fitz and his investigation the whole time he was involved. That stinks to high heaven...Comment
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What a stupid analogy.Originally posted by GePap
You really have a tin ear for politics then. The investigation is like Whitewater, a running sore just waiting to explode at some point.He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!Comment
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It actually sounds like informed commentary to me.Originally posted by Berzerker
Bob Woodward was trashing Fitz and his investigation the whole time he was involved. That stinks to high heaven...He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!Comment
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"Outing" a CIA administrator seems like pretty weak revenge, I mean it's not like she was working in the Kremlin or something during the cold war and was somehow endangered. Her covert status was a hold over from her previous work and losing it wasn't going to hurt her career at this point. And speaking of weak, Wilson did not poke holes in the administrations WMD claims, he helped poke one hole in it and at the same time undermined himself with the vitriol and overstatement in his op-ed.Originally posted by Oerdin
More and more people are going to have to admit that if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers that it is a duck. The CIA leak case is looking exactly what everyone (other then right wingers) have said it was; a coordinated campaign to get revenge on a a person who pointed out holes in the administrations WMD claims. This isn't surprising given how vindictive this administration has been & how they always coordinate themselves through talking points. The leak case was coordinated from the top down and most of the Bush Administration big whigs were in on it to one degree or another just like they're all coordinating on messages like "stay the course, denying they're liars about WMD, and most other things.
I'm less impressed with the case as it has proceeded. When I first heard that a covert CIA agent had been publicly identified I was outraged. I wanted a firing squad assembled for whomever was identified as being involved. But the crime was a good deal less important than it seemed when it was first reported. I'd still like to see anyone who did this on purpose indicted, but it seems clear to me that no one intended to put Plame in danger by disclosing her identity and it remains unclear exactly what sort of vengeance this could be. What could Wilson lose exactly by this revelation? Regardless, anyone who is leaking classified information should be prosecuted, whether they are working for the administration, the CIA, or congress.He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
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Dude how do you know how important her work was and what the impact of exposing her is? What if she needed to resume work and needed the cover?Originally posted by Sikander
"Outing" a CIA administrator seems like pretty weak revenge, I mean it's not like she was working in the Kremlin or something during the cold war and was somehow endangered. Her covert status was a hold over from her previous work and losing it wasn't going to hurt her career at this point. And speaking of weak, Wilson did not poke holes in the administrations WMD claims, he helped poke one hole in it and at the same time undermined himself with the vitriol and overstatement in his op-ed.
Regarding Wilson, I'd be pissed too if people were pressuring me to lie about something as big as collecting a VERY KEY piece of information regarding a country trying to procure nuclear weapons, in order to use that as justification to provoke a war.
No big though, these are just trivial matters.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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"Assumption" is the right word for it.Originally posted by Oerdin
The assumption published by Reuters?
The Newsweek article shows plausible connections between Armitage and the two reporters, and shows how he fits what the two have said about the investigation and the source.
Reuters' reasoning appears to be "we can't think of anyone else".No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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Originally posted by Sikander
"Outing" a CIA administrator seems like pretty weak revenge, I mean it's not like she was working in the Kremlin or something during the cold war and was somehow endangered.''What has suffered irreversible damage is the credibility of our case officers when they try to convince an overseas contact that their safety is of primary importance to us," said Jim Marcinkowski, a former CIA case officer."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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That article contained no useful information, just one opinion the entirety of which you quoted. Look I don't just want people fired, I want them prosecuted for mishandling classified information (the law which makes it illegal to "out" a CIA agent is hopelessly difficult to prosecute). But the case is less serious than it appeared when it was first publicized in bold headlines.He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!Comment
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Well, I'll take the opinion of the former CIA case officer's over yours in this matter.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Efffectively there isn't much difference, we both want the perpetrators prosecuted. He's overstating his case with the "irreversible damage" bit. No one outed a foreign contact nor did anyone endanger a U.S. covert agent.Originally posted by Ted Striker
Well, I'll take the opinion of the former CIA case officer's over yours in this matter.
He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!Comment
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Exactly how would you know that?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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The CIA has already said they had to close several cover groups she used to work at or frequently visited because their cover had been compromised. Foreign intelligence services just go back and track where she worked and who she used to associate with to piece together who used to work for the CIA, who visited CIA front groups, and figure out what those front groups were up to. Tens of millions of dollars and years of work were lost because of this not to mention other agents can no longer work because their cover is now suspect. This is a big deal.Originally posted by Sikander
"Outing" a CIA administrator seems like pretty weak revenge, I mean it's not like she was working in the Kremlin or something during the cold war and was somehow endangered. Her covert status was a hold over from her previous work and losing it wasn't going to hurt her career at this point.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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The Plame issue tells potential future contacts that some people with access to sensative information are willing to put partisan political revenge above the security of operatives.Originally posted by Sikander
He's overstating his case with the "irreversible damage" bit. No one outed a foreign contact nor did anyone endanger a U.S. covert agent.
That'll make them less willing to work with the US."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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