How should US exit Iraq

[PLATO]

With the political vote in the house yesterday, it should be expected that the debate on how the US extracts its troops from Iraq will be the hot topic at least until the next election.

Link to MSNBC article on the vote

It seems obvious that the Congress is not for "cutting and running", but what is the best plan for the US? For Iraq? For the world in general?

I would like to keep the debate to how to leave Iraq...not how we got there.

[Imran Siddiqui]

A phased withdrawl. If we wait until stability is retored in Iraq, we'll be there for 50 years and be a catalyst for violence (they'll direct their anger at us being there). A gradual withdrawl, I think is key.

[Seeker]

Phased withdrawal ending in 2010. Yes I think it will take that long.

And if by withdrawal you don't just mean troops but 'advisors' and spies and mercs? My date is an 'all potential targets withdrawn' date.

And it's over a long time period because, even though I disagreed with the illegal nature and disruptive nature of the initial invasion, it's kinda a 'you broke it you bought it' situation now where it would be even worse to just cut losses and run after giving so many assurances. So they should stay until the Iraqi military is credible, native, and legitimate (with 2010 as the cutoff date).

It sucks but more americans will die for Bushs mistake.

[Dis]

The U.S. has an obligation. And I don't give a **** how many americans die. We ****ed up their country, we should fix it.

I will be really pissed off if our country doesn't clean up the mess we made.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Phased withdrawal ending in 2010.

Yeah, that's a good ending date for a phased withdrawl.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Why 2010?

Why not 2110 instead?

Iraq is never going to stabilize except through a strongman imposing "stability" by force, and as long as we're there, there will be a steady supply of arab nationalists, pissed off relatives of dead arabs, arab jihadi, and bored arab mercenaries who will be happy to try to shoot us or blow us up.

What point is being proven here?

200 billion and 2000 dead, or a trillion and 10,000 dead, we'll still be in the same mode of operations, and meanwhile, our ability to respond forcibly and sustainably to other threats is diminished.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Dis
The U.S. has an obligation. And I don't give a **** how many americans die. We ****ed up their country, we should fix it.

I will be really pissed off if our country doesn't clean up the mess we made.

Go there and join in, then. Their country was already ****ed up, we just ****ed it up differently, and after we're gone, it'll still be ****ed up.

Not our problem at this point.

[Dis]

we? Aren't you a mexican now?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Sí, señor.

[Whoha]

arm the kurds -> 3 state solution -> return home victorious.

Its the only way to un **** the country Dis, the mistake was made a long time ago to group these three cultures together.

[Ted Striker]

quietly

[Max Webster]

Re: How should US exit Iraq

Run like hell.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Why 2010?

Why not 2110 instead?

Iraq is never going to stabilize except through a strongman imposing "stability" by force, and as long as we're there, there will be a steady supply of arab nationalists, pissed off relatives of dead arabs, arab jihadi, and bored arab mercenaries who will be happy to try to shoot us or blow us up.

What point is being proven here?

200 billion and 2000 dead, or a trillion and 10,000 dead, we'll still be in the same mode of operations, and meanwhile, our ability to respond forcibly and sustainably to other threats is diminished.

So you are saying to leave when? Immediately?

If a strongman is the only way to stabalize the country, then would it be in the U.S. interest to stay long enough to produce a well trained loyal military for sucha stongman?

Also, are we to consider the political implications of having a strongman that would be produced by Iranian or Syrian influence as opposed to U.S. influence?

While your points are good, they are too limited in the scope of their analysis. The U.S. should consider not only the desired outcome, but most importantly, they should consider the most realistic one they can obtain in their favor.

So, the question remains...how long should U.S. troops stay in order to create a reasonable outcome?

[Zero]

with a big bang

[Zero]

wise man(actually men if u count kurt cobain as "wise") who also killed himself once said:

ITS BETTER TO BURN OUT THAN TO FADE AWAY BABY!!!11!!!~~~