Controlled Demolition most Likely brought down the WTC

[JohnT]

Look, Laurentius, it's like this:

That’s correct – no such steel-beam building had ever before (or since) completely collapsed due to fires!

He's assuming you are going to forget about the impact caused by the 225,000 pound aircraft crashing into the building at 200 miles per hour.

So his assertion, if true, is still correct if you add in the 9-11 attacks.

[Arrian]

What LotM posted.

-Arrian

[lord of the mark]

NIST on WTC &


An Initiating Event
�� An initial local failure at the lower floors (below Floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris
induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event), which supported a large span
floor bay with an area of about 2,000 ft2
A Vertical Progression at the East Side of the Building
�� Vertical progression of the initial local failure up to the east penthouse, as large floor bays were
unable to redistribute the loads, bringing down the interior structure below the east penthouse
A Subsequent Horizontal Progression from the East to the West Side
�� Horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of Floors 5 and 7, that
were much thicker than the rest of the floors), triggered by damage due to the vertical failure
Disproportionate Global Collapse
�� Events resulted in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure
NIST has seen no evidence that the collapse of WTC 7
was caused by bombs, missiles, or controlled demolition.

[Richelieu]

In case you left it at home this morning.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
"BYU Professor Has Plenty of Company in the Academic Community, Including 60 Faculty Members from Two Utah Universities who Concur a Controlled Demolition Most Likely Brought Down the WTC and Further Investigation Is Needed"


"After presently scientific arguments in favor of the controlled demolition theory, Jones said everyone in attendance from all backgrounds, conservative and liberal, were in total agreement further investigation was needed."

Interesting how all were in agreement further investigation is needed, morphed into 60 concur that a controlled demolition most likely brought down the WTC.


I presume that we can look forward to the academic response being similarly mischarecterized.

Its the reporters, I assume the arctic beacon is somewhat biased...anyway its irrelevanrt to the academic paper.

[Propaganda]

Does anyone else see a face on the right tower in the picture JohnT posted?

This is about the fourth time I've seen a face in pictures of the WTC towers burning.

[lord of the mark]

so in what journal is Prof Jones planning on publishing his results?

Or does he intend to just share it informally with colleagues, and then mischarecterize their responses? Or just spread it around the net?

[laurentius]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
so in what journal is Prof Jones planning on publishing his results?

Or does he intend to just share it informally with colleagues, and then mischarecterize their responses? Or just spread it around the net?

First of all the Arctic Beacon is mischarectirizing the responses not Jones.

Accepted for publication:

Steven E. Jones, (2006). “Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse?,” The Hidden History of 9-11-2001, Research in Political Economy, Volume 23, P. Zarembka, editor, Amsterdam: Elsevier, 2006.

Its says so in the beginning of Jones' page. I recommend reading it.

I'm going to leave this thread now a while for I have other things to attend to.

[lord of the mark]

heres the "academic" publication where Prof Jones is publishing his results

"Accepted for publication:

Steven E. Jones, (2006). “Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse?,” The Hidden History of 9-11-2001, Research in Political Economy, Volume 23, P. Zarembka, editor, Amsterdam: Elsevier, 2006."

I wonder how many structural engineers and materials science experts read "Research in Political Economy"?

I wouldnt be surprised however if many of the academics who DO read RPE DO find Prof Jone's arguments persuasive.


heres how the RPE, published at SUNY Buffalo, charecterizes itself

"The RESEARCH is founded on analyzing society in a manner consistent with classical Marxism. International in scope, the annual volumes deal primarily with economic and political issues and the unity between them. Both theoretical and empirical works are included. While published papers must be appropriate for developing class analysis of society, they need not be explicitly Marxist. The RESEARCH can accept papers up to 50 pages in print (on occasion, even longer) and thus is particularly appropriate for work which is not book length, yet is substantial. For submissions, please send your paper, double-spaced type with references as endnotes, to the editor either electronically or three copies to the postal address above. Usual practice is review by two competent persons, on a double-blind basis, within a relatively short period of time. "


I am puzzled at how the editors of this magazine have any qualifications to review an article on structural engineering.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by laurentius


As far as I know it takes about 5000 degrees of heat to achieve that. A little more than burning office chairs and even diesel have to be burning to reach such levels.

If memeory serves me aviation fuel ( a distilled cut about the same volatility as gasoline) burns hotter than diesel. Why he mentioned diesel in the article is beside me unless he was trying to intimate in some fashion that diesel was the propellent for jets which is patentialy false.

[germanos]

Originally posted by bigot of the mark
Since this kind of thing seems to be widespread among European academic leftists.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by laurentius
I'm going to leave this thread now a while for I have other things to attend to.

Yeah, making an enhanced tinfoil hat - just don't use steel

All this thread really misses is that it's claimed that it's Bush that planted the explosives

[JohnT]

It's Satan, as reported by the intrepid sleuths at the Weekly World News:

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by germanos

pardon I DanSed you. Seems this mag is published in Amsterdam NEW YORK. For the tinier audience of American far leftists.

[Fake Boris]

If his paper was to be published in a physics paper, it would have indeed more credibility. Right now, I see it as close to 0.