its free will in that we can consciously overide our unconcious reaction. The question I have is un-exceptional every day life, how much do we let our unconcious do the driving? or how often do we give to our unconcious what it demands.
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Your example only shows that the scope of possible reactions to a situation is larger than pure passions would let. It isn't a "demonstration" of free will.
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The notion of Free Will is at odds with the mechanistic explanations that underly our thinking about how stuff works.
If we faced up to the fact that we are wholly material beings and jettisoned the religious crap, this discussion would be unnecessary.
Free Will doesn't make any sense in any case. Human beings are largely predictable. If our wills were truly free, our choices would be random and chaotic.
Luke Rhinehart wrote an amusing book about this notion of surrendering yourself to randomness as real freedom.Only feebs vote.
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Originally posted by BeBro
What means "wholly material beings"? What's with ideas, thought, (self-)consciousness?
If you ask me, and I've been verging on this for a while, I think eliminativism is the future. Pretty heretical, but I'm almost convinced that it's right.
The old jokes stand. Like the one about Paul and Patricia Churchland having hot sex and he turning to her and asking "How was it for me?"Only feebs vote.
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Free Will doesn't make any sense in any case. Human beings are largely predictable. If our wills were truly free, our choices would be random and chaotic.
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We can never know.
End of thread.Lime roots and treachery!
"Eventually you're left with a bunch of unmemorable posters like Cyclotron, pretending that they actually know anything about who they're debating pointless crap with." - Drake Tungsten
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"The notion of Free Will is at odds with the mechanistic explanations that underly our thinking about how stuff works.
If we faced up to the fact that we are wholly material beings and jettisoned the religious crap, this discussion would be unnecessary."
Explain consciousness with a material, Newtonian explanation.www.my-piano.blogspot
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I find the notion that we don't have free will repulsive, and I'm an aetheist. My feelings on the matter may be irrational, but I don't care. I choose to believe that I can make my own choices in life.
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I think people should be forbidden from creating threads on topics that have been debated to death using a nonsensical stock argument in the OP...
... dammit this would kill the OT.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
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