Freewill

[Berzerker]

If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

Hehe...and his mind is not for rent to any god or government

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Park Avenue

Explain consciousness with a material, Newtonian explanation.

It's realized in structures like the human brain, and what we call conscious states are identical with brain states, just as what we call lightning is identical with an electrical discharge.

There's nothing miraculous about it.

[Cyclotron]

this thread is lame

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Agathon
It's realized in structures like the human brain, and what we call conscious states are identical with brain states, just as what we call lightning is identical with an electrical discharge.

There's nothing miraculous about it.

Of course this depends on what you consider miraculous, but that's somewhat beyond the point. I mean, some people find babies miraculous, rather than whiny little masses of flesh [/inflammatory]

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Of course this depends on what you consider miraculous, but that's somewhat beyond the point. I mean, some people find babies miraculous, rather than whiny little masses of flesh [/inflammatory]

I find the constant stream of rubbish you post to be a violation of the natural order. I am convinced that you are in fact three people.

[Kuciwalker]

That would be rather miraculous.

[Fake Boris]

The Wiki guy sucks. Routledge offers a better approach:

'Free will' is the conventional name of a topic that is best discussed without reference to the will. Its central questions are 'What is it to act (or choose) freely?', and 'What is it to be morally responsible for one's actions (or choices)?' These two questions are closely connected, for freedom of action is necessary for moral responsibility, even if it is not sufficient.

[Kuciwalker]

So basically there is no definition, making this even more an exercise in intellectual masturbation than before.

[Caligastia]

Yes, clearly reality is immaterial and nothing really exists, including existence.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
So basically there is no definition, making this even more an exercise in intellectual masturbation than before.

No. There is general agreement about which actions are free and which are not, but conceptual confusion about just what this means.

Can't say I've ever cared much. If you want to be really free, then do what the dice man did.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Yes, clearly reality is immaterial and nothing really exists, including existence.

Existence isn't a property or a thing. This sentence makes no sense.

[Caligastia]

Sense is immaterial. You are a pigment of my imagination.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
So basically there is no definition, making this even more an exercise in intellectual masturbation than before.

There is at least a whole tradition behind it, that your own theory blissfully ignores.

[Kuciwalker]

Should I be chastised that I ignored a whole tradition of intellectual masturbation?

[Fake Boris]

Be an adept of physical masturbation and leave real men alone then, if it suits you.