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I think the fact firemen and rescue dogs will go into a burning building is proof of freewill. The natural reaction is to get away from fire and for good reason. So what is freewill if not overcoming our instincts by creating a choice?
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Re: Freewill
Bull. God makes firemen and rescue dogs do those things.Originally posted by Berzerker
I think the fact firemen and rescue dogs will go into a burning building is proof of freewill. The natural reaction is to get away from fire and for good reason. So what is freewill if not overcoming our instincts by creating a choice?
Just like God made you post this thread, to sort out who would be saved and who would be damned.
See you in hell...NOT!
Sorry; didn't man to be rude. God made me type that."I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin -
Re: Freewill
firemen and rescue dogs are trained to respond to those situations...Originally posted by Berzerker
I think the fact firemen and rescue dogs will go into a burning building is proof of freewill. The natural reaction is to get away from fire and for good reason. So what is freewill if not overcoming our instincts by creating a choice?
DUH!!!To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Of course, but I'm not and I'd run into a burning building to save someone and I'd bet my dog would follow me. Training merely removes some of the fear of the unknown, not the fear of the known. That takes freewill to overcome.Comment
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Free Willy
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
Free Willy
Just don't get it twisted.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Freewill IS creating a number of choices out of a situation. The training firefighters receive allows them to create more choices than somebody who's natural respose is to flee.
The person with no training has less choice than the trained person.
The complexity comes in after the firefighter has the choice of fighting the fire, or running away. The firefighter will refuse to run as it is "his job" to fight it. IOW he is "forced" to pick one choice, whether he likes it or not.
In the end the person who is trained and the person who has the training have the same amount of freewill in that situation. Very little.Comment
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Re: Freewill
Originally posted by Berzerker
I think the fact firemen and rescue dogs will go into a burning building is proof of freewill. The natural reaction is to get away from fire and for good reason. So what is freewill if not overcoming our instincts by creating a choice?
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Ted Striker: The Homestar Runner of Apolyton."You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James NapierComment
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We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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my point is... they are not thinking about it... it is not like they are sitting down and making a choice...Originally posted by Berzerker
Of course, but I'm not and I'd run into a burning building to save someone and I'd bet my dog would follow me. Training merely removes some of the fear of the unknown, not the fear of the known. That takes freewill to overcome.
they are just REACTING TO A SITUATION due to the training they have received...
it is not a question of free will at allTo us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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But we aren't trained to flee a fire, its instinctive. Training has nothing to do with the choice being created by freewill. Both the trained and untrained have that choice.
He chose the job.The complexity comes in after the firefighter has the choice of fighting the fire, or running away. The firefighter will refuse to run as it is "his job" to fight it. IOW he is "forced" to pick one choice, whether he likes it or not.Comment
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Your example only shows that the scope of possible reactions to a situation is larger than pure passions would let. It isn't a "demonstration" of free will.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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