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  • #31
    Originally posted by DinoDoc
    Out of interest, why is it that the laws that worked well enoguh against the IRA suddenly aren't good enough against essentially the same threat now?
    The IRA is marginally different IMHO. The IRA weren't (intentional) suicide bombers and they weren't in it for mass indiscriminate murder when it came to their 'mainland' activity - they gave coded warnings for police to clear the bombing area for example.

    i,e the stakes are higher, the cost of failure is a magnitude higher.
    One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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    • #32
      While we're on the subject, Graham just offered an Amendment to a Defense Appropriations bill that would strip away habeas corpus (and access to federal courts) from whomever the Administration deems "enemy combatants" (i.e., Gitmo detainees). Very disappointing since Graham's usually not that bad on this sort of thing (and this would signal a healthy majority for the Amendment). OTOH, Specter and Chaffee have voiced their opposition, so the Amendment may yet be defeated.
      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
      -Bokonon

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      • #33
        Passed 49-42

        From the part of the roll call that I heard, Nelson, Landrieu, and Lieberman voted against habeas corpus (and Sununu voted for).
        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
        -Bokonon

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        • #34
          In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Dauphin
            If the suspect has lead police to believe that a 90 day detention without charge is necessary, surely the person must be pretty dangerous and under 24 hour observation. You'd also expect there to be plenty of evidence already that lead to the grave suspicion in the first place. If the police can't stop a guy under that close a scrutiny before he does the deed something is wrong.

            Maybe I don't understand the problems that would require 90 days when the haste in gathering evidence would be so high anyway.
            Same here, it just seems like another power that can be abused. As you say, if someone is that dangerous (which is why they are trying to institute this law), the best measure would be to keep them under very close surveillance and observe the network and gather evidence...

            I am very pleased that this draconian measure has been thrown out, and hopefully the same treatment will be received by the folly that is the ID card
            Speaking of Erith:

            "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Ramo
              Passed 49-42

              From the part of the roll call that I heard, Nelson, Landrieu, and Lieberman voted against habeas corpus (and Sununu voted for).


              I can't believe this.
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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