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    In short: 49 Labour MPs have rebelled against Blair, blocking a proposed bill that would allow the police to detain for up to 90 days a suspected terrorist without charges.

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    Blair defeated over terror laws

    Prime Minister Tony Blair at the door of 10 Downing Street

    Tony Blair reaction
    Tony Blair says his authority is intact despite suffering his first House of Commons defeat as prime minister.

    He said he hoped MPs "do not rue the day" they rejected his call to allow police to detain terror suspects for up to 90 days without charging them.

    MPs voted against by 322 votes to 291, with 49 Labour MPs rebelling.

    Tory leader Michael Howard said Mr Blair should resign. Lib Dem leader Charles Kennedy warned Mr Blair could become a "lame duck" leader.

    Following the defeat MPs backed by 323 to 290 votes a Labour backbench MP's proposal to extend the detention time limit to 28 days, from the current 14 days.

    Authority

    Mr Blair, who is planning to quit as prime minister before the next election, has said he will serve a full third term.

    But Mr Howard said the vote had "so diminished" Mr Blair's authority that he should quit now.


    I think it was a wrong decision - I just hope in a longer time we don't rue it
    Tony Blair
    Prime minister

    Key points of debate
    Q&A: Terror bill defeat

    And Lib Dem leader Charles Kennedy said Mr Blair would be seen as a "lame duck" leader unless he realised he could not behave in a "quasi-dictatorial way".

    "If he doesn't, then increasingly his premiership is becoming a John Major premiership, at the mercy of events, at the mercy of opposition, not just from other political parties but from within his own," said Mr Kennedy.

    But Mr Blair told the BBC he did not believe the vote would affect his position as prime minister.

    'Wrong decision'

    "I don't think it is a matter of my authority - of course I would have preferred to have won rather than lost," he said.


    COMMONS VOTES
    90 days' detention time limit: Defeated by 322 votes to 291, majority 31
    Backbench compromise of 28 days' detention: Passed by 323 votes to 290, majority 33

    In full: Labour rebels
    Your views on vote

    He said the police had told him the case for the 90-day detention proposal was "vital" and "compelling".

    It had been his duty to put the plan before MPs and it had been their right to vote against it, he said.

    But, he said: "I think it was a wrong decision - I just hope in a longer time we don't rue it."

    He said people would think it was "very odd" that given the advice of the police and security services, MPs had "decided to ignore their recommendation".

    'Angry Blair'

    Instead they had voted for a 28-day detention limit which "they have thought of themselves" without any particular justification, he said.

    Home Secretary Charles Clarke said he had not suspected until half an hour before the crucial vote that the government might lose.

    But he said the prime minister had not been "foolhardy" in pressing for the 90-day plan - and the defeat would make him want to go on longer in the job rather than quit.

    "He's feeling angry that this important proposal for the security of the nation was not carried by Parliament and cross at our failure, my failure, to actually get across to all of our parliamentarians the scale of the issues involved," he said.

    And the idea that the defeat had weakened Mr Blair's position was "quite wrong" because the proposals were not "at the core" of the government's counter-terrorism plans, he added.

    'No police state'

    Shami Chakrabarti, director of the civil rights group Liberty, said she was "heartened" that MPs had defeated the 90-day plan.

    In his final plea for MPs to back the plans, Mr Blair urged MPs to take the advice of the police who had foiled two terrorist plots since the 7 July attacks in London.

    In heated exchanges at prime minister's questions, Mr Blair said: "We are not living in a police state but we are living in a country that faces a real and serious threat of terrorism."

    Ministers had tried to reassure wavering Labour MPs by promising that the new laws would expire the Commons renewed them in a year's time.

    Other concessions included promising scrutiny of the detention process by a High Court judge.

    In a sign of the importance given to the vote, Chancellor Gordon Brown was called back within minutes of arriving in Israel for a high profile visit.

    And Foreign Secretary Jack Straw also flew back early from EU-Russia talks in Moscow.

    Later, in a separate vote, the government's majority was reduced to 25 when MPs backed the inclusion of "glorification of terrorism" in the Terrorism Bill.
    In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

  • #2
    What about the personal ID card issue, did it pass?

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    • #3
      I don't know.
      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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      • #4
        HAW HAW!!
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • #5
          Should be required reading for every person who becomes an MP, of any party, in Ottawa.

          Don't stop there, and make it required reading for all MLAs, MPPs, whatever... in all the provinces.
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          • #6
            Why the f is Blair doing this crap too?

            I thought only stupid Americans did this sort of thing? Nobody will stand for it.

            Props to the British MPs for having a set of balls.
            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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            • #7
              Originally posted by notyoueither
              Should be required reading for every person who becomes an MP, of any party, in Ottawa.

              Don't stop there, and make it required reading for all MLAs, MPPs, whatever... in all the provinces.
              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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              • #8
                I'm glad they shot down this 90-day internment crap. None of the London bombers were known to police beforehand, so it wouldn't have helped.

                The Sun's headline is absolutely disgusting (even for them): 'TRAITORS', referring to the MPs who voted against the bill.

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                • #9
                  what the hell is wrong with a personal ID?
                  I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                  Asher on molly bloom

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                  • #10
                    It's teh e\/il!!!

                    Being filmed 24 hours a day and knowing exactly where you are on the other hand is perfectly fine.
                    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                    Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                    • #11
                      The sooner that they get rid of Blair, the better. He's an absolute liability to what is the best British goverment I can remember.

                      Having said that, I can only remember the Tories, and the Khmer Rouge would be an improvement to them.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Datajack Franit
                        what the hell is wrong with a personal ID?
                        It's a waste of money?

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                        • #13
                          Hmm, imo it saves quite a lot of money.

                          shall we bash Bush errr Blair from here on, we did the ID thing a couple of times already.
                          Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                          Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                          • #14
                            Props to the British MPs for having a set of balls.
                            Indeed -> british =
                            -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
                            -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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                            • #15
                              good on our MPs

                              blair won't quit of course, he's got his 'legacy adgenda' to pursue, but his left-wing MPs are not looking at all likely to back his plans for schools, hospitals and welfare.

                              so here's to a another four years of a major government.
                              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                              "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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