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    Vatican: Faithful Should Listen to Science

    By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press WriterFri Nov 4,10:12 AM ET

    A Vatican cardinal said Thursday the faithful should listen to what secular modern science has to offer, warning that religion risks turning into "fundamentalism" if it ignores scientific reason.

    Cardinal Paul Poupard, who heads the Pontifical Council for Culture, made the comments at a news conference on a Vatican project to help end the "mutual prejudice" between religion and science that has long bedeviled the Roman Catholic Church and is part of the evolution debate in the United States.

    The Vatican project was inspired by Pope John Paul II's 1992 declaration that the church's 17th-century denunciation of Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension." Galileo was condemned for supporting Nicolaus Copernicus' discovery that the Earth revolved around the sun; church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.

    "The permanent lesson that the Galileo case represents pushes us to keep alive the dialogue between the various disciplines, and in particular between theology and the natural sciences, if we want to prevent similar episodes from repeating themselves in the future," Poupard said.

    But he said science, too, should listen to religion.

    "We know where scientific reason can end up by itself: the atomic bomb and the possibility of cloning human beings are fruit of a reason that wants to free itself from every ethical or religious link," he said.

    "But we also know the dangers of a religion that severs its links with reason and becomes prey to fundamentalism," he said.

    "The faithful have the obligation to listen to that which secular modern science has to offer, just as we ask that knowledge of the faith be taken in consideration as an expert voice in humanity."

    Poupard and others at the news conference were asked about the religion-science debate raging in the United States over evolution and "intelligent design."

    Intelligent design's supporters argue that natural selection, an element of evolutionary theory, cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms.

    Monsignor Gianfranco Basti, director of the Vatican project STOQ, or Science, Theology and Ontological Quest, reaffirmed John Paul's 1996 statement that evolution was "more than just a hypothesis."

    "A hypothesis asks whether something is true or false," he said. "(Evolution) is more than a hypothesis because there is proof."

    He was asked about comments made in July by Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, who dismissed in a New York Times article the 1996 statement by John Paul as "rather vague and unimportant" and seemed to back intelligent design.

    Basti concurred that John Paul's 1996 letter "is not a very clear expression from a definition point of view," but he said evolution was assuming ever more authority as scientific proof develops.

    Poupard, for his part, stressed that what was important was that "the universe wasn't made by itself, but has a creator." But he added, "It's important for the faithful to know how science views things to understand better."

    The Vatican project STOQ has organized academic courses and conferences on the relationship between science and religion and is hosting its first international conference on "the infinity in science, philosophy and theology," next week.
    "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

  • #2
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #3
      Huh? Catholics invented the Big Bang theory and enthusiastically support evolution. I don't see what is new here.
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      • #4
        Cardinal Poupard..

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        • #5
          So where do imaginary gay Nazi ghosts fit into "science and reason," eh?
          Tutto nel mondo è burla

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          • #6
            why do people find this surprising?

            I need a foot massage

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            • #7
              Started good, but then :

              But he said science, too, should listen to religion.
              and from there it just plunged down into nonsense.
              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

              Steven Weinberg

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Apocalypse
                Huh? Catholics invented the Big Bang theory and enthusiastically support evolution. I don't see what is new here.

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                • #9
                  and from there it just plunged down into nonsense.
                  Agreed. He is right in saying that religion risks sounding like fundamentalism by rejecting science, but you cannot cherrypick what is convenient and what isn't; a compromise "God in the gaps" idea does not cut it. Science is about the truth, not about appeasement.
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                  • #10
                    in fact, when he says listening to religion, he means the ethic moral stuff, like not cloning humans.


                    he doesnt mean the "god of the gaps", he is not interested in making scientists say that those things they cant clearly explain are because of God
                    I need a foot massage

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Brachy-Pride

                      he doesnt mean the "god of the gaps", he is not interested in making scientists say that those things they cant clearly explain are because of God
                      No, that just means we don't have enough data to explain it.

                      God-In-The-Gaps arguments:

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Odin
                        No, that just means we don't have enough data to explain it.

                        God-In-The-Gaps arguments:
                        People with no reading comprehension

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                        • #13
                          /me kicks himself.

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                          • #14
                            Interesting conference they've got going next week:

                            Morning Session
                            09:00 Bishop Rino Fisichella, Rector of the PUL, Welcome Address
                            Indirizzo di saluto

                            09:30 Card. Paul Poupard, Introductory Speech
                            Relazione Introduttiva

                            10:00 Vincenzo Cappelletti, State University of Rome III, Historical Introduction
                            10:45 Discussion /Discussione
                            11:00 Coffee Break/Pausa Caffé
                            11:30 Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, Israel Institute for Talmudic Pubblications, Israel. Infinity in Science and Faith.
                            12:15 Discussion /Discussione
                            12:30 Lunch break/Pausa Pranzo
                            Afternoon Session

                            SECTION A: Infinity in Physics and Cosmology
                            SEZIONE A: L’infinito in Fisica e Cosmologia
                            Chairman/Presiede: Rodolfo Guzzi , ASI, Italian Space Agency

                            14:30 Joseph Silk , Oxford University, UK. Is the Universe Finite?
                            15:15 Discussion/Discussione

                            15:30 Juan Maldacena , IAS- Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton, USA. Infinity as Simplification
                            16:15 Discussion /Discussione
                            16:30 Coffee Break/Pausa Caffé

                            16:45 George V. Coyne, Director of the Vatican Observatory, Vatican.
                            The Measurements of the Universe Age and their Significance
                            17:30 Discussion /Discussione
                            17:45 Panel Session/Tavola Rotonda
                            18:45 Session End/Fine della Sessione

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                            Thursday, November 10 th
                            Giovedì 10 Novembre
                            Room/Aula: Pio XI

                            Morning Session
                            SECTION B: Infinity in Mathematics and Logic
                            SEZIONE B: L’Infinito in Matematica e Logica
                            Chairman/Presiede: Gianfranco Basti, Lateran University. Vatican

                            09:00 Enrico Bombieri , IAS- Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton, USA. The Mathematical Infinity: How It Has Shaped Today’s Mathematics.
                            09:45 Discussion /Discussione

                            10:00 Edward Nelson , Princeton University , USA. Completed vs. Incomplete Infinity in Arithmetic
                            10:45 Discussion /Discussione
                            11:00 Coffee Break/Pausa Caffé

                            SECTION C: Infinity in Ontology and Mind Philosophy
                            SEZIONE C: L’infinito in ontologia e nella filosofia della mente
                            Chairman /Presiede: Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, Chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences

                            11:30 Nino B. Cocchiarella, Indiana University, USA. Infinity in Ontology and Mind
                            12:15 Discussion /Discussione

                            12:30 Lunch Break/Pausa Pranzo
                            Afternoon Session

                            15:00 Franz von Kutschera, University of Regensburg , Germany. Dimensions of the Mental.
                            15:45 Discussion /Discussione

                            16:00 Dominique Lambert , Université Notre Dame de la Paix, Belgique. Scientific and philosophical meaning of infinity in theoretical biology
                            16:45 Discussion /Discussione
                            17:00 Coffee Break/Pausa Caffé

                            17:15 Sergio Galvan , Catholic University of Milan, Italy. Theory Incompleteness and Intending of Abstract Non-finitary Concepts.

                            18:00 Discussion /Discussione
                            18:15 Panel Session/Tavola Rotonda
                            19:00 Session End/Fine della Sessione

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                            Friday, November 11th
                            Venerdi 11 Novembre
                            Room/Aula: Pio XI

                            Morning Session
                            SECTION D: God’s Infinity in the Different Theological Traditions
                            SEZIONE D: L’Infinità di Dio nelle Diverse Tradizioni Teologiche
                            Chairman/Presiede: Ignazio Sanna, Lateran University, Vatican.

                            09:00 Bishop Józef M. Zycinski, Arcibishop of Lublin, Poland. Infinity, Contingency, and God: Between Cosmology and Theology.
                            09:45 Discussion /Discussione

                            10:00 Rabbi Benedetto Carucci, Director of the Rabbinic Seminary of Rome, God, Nothing and Infinity.
                            10:45 Discussion /Discussione
                            11:00 Coffee Break/Pausa Caffè

                            11:30 Robert J. Russell, CTNS Berkeley, USA. The God Who Infinitely Transcends Infinity
                            12:15 Discussion /Discussione
                            12:30 Lunch Break/Pausa Pranzo
                            Afternoon Session
                            Chairman/Presiede: Luis Ladaria, Gregorian University, Rome.

                            15:00 Card. George Cottier, Theologian of the Pontifical House, Vatican. God’s Infinity in St.Thomas Aquinas
                            15:45 Discussion /Discussione
                            16:00 Coffe Break/Pausa Caffé
                            16:15 Panel Session/Tavola Rotonda
                            17:00 Conference End/Fine del Congresso
                            But I'd like to see the theological spin from Ed Nelson's lecture ( Completed vs. Incomplete Infinity in Arithmetic).

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                            • #15
                              The God Who Infinitely Transcends Infinity
                              WTF?

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