"MSN" is dead; Long Live "Windows Live"

[Fve Crathva]

Working on a large project in vi/gcc/gdb would be an absolute nightmare. I really like Visual Studio (it's wonderful for documentation), but I've been using Eclipse recently, and that's pretty badass. It's got several nice things that I wish Visual Studio would do (for example, paired-symbol completion (strings, parens, braces, you know... I don't know what it's actually called)). My big problem with Eclipse was trying to compile a Java project. It popped up a window that said something about build configurations or whatever, but it wouldn't actually let me run the program. It took me hours to figure out that I had to add a build configuration to the list of build configurations on the side pane before it would let me build. How retarded is that? Now that I know what's going on, it's a pretty cool way of configuring builds. Better than having it embedded in options like Visual Studio, anyway.

I suspect that many computer science students who snub Visual Studio in favour of vi are anti-Microsoft freaks who wish they could be stuck in the 80s instead of using modern technology. I know people like that. They're usually obnoxious snobs, right? They look down on people who like software that's easy to use? They like to listen to themselves talk about arcanisms that aren't relevant (which has the side benefit of letting their audience know that they know lots)? They keep meetings going twice as long as necessary so that team members will accept their ideas just so that the stupid meeting can end and everyone can go home?

SP

[Asher]

Visual Studio 2005 is now out:

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/yukon_visualstudio2005.asp

[Fve Crathva]

I hear they've already announced the service pack.

SP

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Fve Crathva
I hear they've already announced the service pack.

SP

You mean the first in a long row

Actually, it's quite fun to read what MS paid persons tell - either they have to squirm seriously when they tell what they do or they are heavily paid to relief their conciousness My guess is that Asher must be on at least a five digit figure with that vigoursness he displays

Sorry VJ, it was bumped and I couldn't resist These threads are just so funny in their "feet in the air" responses from people like Asher.

[Asher]

The funny part of this thread is the clueless librarian displaying profound ignorance of an industry he thought he understood.

Visual Studio is the gold standard for development of complex applications. That's just the way it is, and I thought it was generally accepted as such.

vi/gcc/gdb are for hobbyist programmers in general, or otherwise simple code.

Good luck doing complex refactorings with object oriented code using a simple text editor. I'm sure it's possible, it's just like digging a house foundation with a garden shovel...

[BlackCat]

[Asher]

The more you laugh, the more stupid you look...

[Odin]

I used to get tons of BSODs with Win98 on my old computer. My new one has WinXP, and no BSOD yet.

[Odin]

@ Blackcat for thinking Asher is being paid to advertise MS products on 'Poly.


Mac = freezes up too much

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Odin
@ Blackcat for thinking Asher is being paid to advertise MS products on 'Poly.


Mac = freezes up too much

Well, I don't think that he is paid explicitly for advertising on Poly - that would be in the extreme - I just think that it's a fee for spreading the "light" in common - just like all other religions

[Asher]

Also, you can download free standalone versions of Visual C++ 2005 (and other parts of Visual Studio) until the end of the year (they will be $49.99 starting in January).

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/visualc/download/

It contains the full IDE, optimizing compiler, and debugger.

[faded glory]

ICQ is so 90's. AIM is a bloated whale with parasitic leeches attached to it.


Yahoo is still my favorite. Damn them for no cross platform texting tho.