"MSN" is dead; Long Live "Windows Live"

[Verto]

Originally posted by Ninot
hmm.... yet there arent any new Apple products in my home.

Guess it still sucks

What was the last Microsoft product you bought?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
@ the MS bashers

Someone: "Microsoft"

MS Bashers: "M$ sux0rs"

Someone: "But I was making a perfectly valid..."

MS Bashers: "ZOMG! teh capitalizm" you > /dev/null"

Sorry, byt none of the shells that I know of will accept your statement.

If I were one of those pinkie leftist commie capitalism bashers this site is infested with, you could have a point, but since I am not, you fail.

I bash MS because of the lack of quality in their OS and SW :. They are more busy with taking competitors out by volume and that makes them a legal target for bashing.

[Whaleboy]

Name me specific, referenced examples of "lack of quality" in Windows XP and software.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
Meanwhile.... Apple is having a great year and is keeping Microsh1t out of the news.

That's because it's news that Apple is doing well, Microsoft has been doing well for decades now.

It's an exception when Apple does well, so it gets coverage.

[Asher]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Are MS paying you per thread or per posting ?

Yeah, that must make sense given my Google and Firefox-pimping threads.

The simple facts are you don't seem to comprehend the value of web services and online applications in the coming years. Google and, now Microsoft, do.

Virtually nothing makes sense in that post, especially your comments about development headaches on Windows and not on Linux. You've obviously never done serious development, nor do you have any understanding of why the Linux market is so empty of real, commercial applications. Hint: It has to do with the segmented market and the headaches involved with development across a non-standardized platform. Did you ever see my sig about getting Quake 3 to run on Linux?

Note: this comment was posted using Scientific Linux on an Opteron development workstation...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Verto
What was the last Microsoft product you bought?

Xbox 360 for me.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
Name me specific, referenced examples of "lack of quality" in Windows XP and software.

The Blue screen of death is a quite common thing to happen - often nonreplicaple.

A couple of network problems :

Starting outlook without network connection to the server choices are : "try again", "work offline", "help" - where the heck is "Abort" ?

Worse - you are connected to a network and have a pathfinder open - network disconnects - kill the pathfinder process because you get tired of waiting on it figures out the network is down : windows doesn't work properly after the kill - only solution is a reboot.

VB. It's a trap that lures people to think they are programmers. It is easy to make programs, but they usually performs catastrophically when load goes up wether it's data or user increase. I've had the very unpleasant experience to take over such a program with answer times between 30 secs and timeout. After reprogramming some STANDARD metodics, response times went down under two seconds.

[Whaleboy]

The Blue screen of death is a quite common thing to happen - often nonreplicaple.

If you are going to use Windows ME as an example, then I might as well use the 2.2.x linux kernel and early versions of Red Hat when discussing linux usability. In 4 years of running it, I have never had a BSOD in WindowsXP. Some applications have crashed, as have applications with my Slackware installation too.

Starting outlook without network connection to the server choices are : "try again", "work offline", "help" - where the heck is "Abort" ?

Work offline? It's not exactly rocket science is it?

[Asher]

Originally posted by BlackCat
The Blue screen of death is a quite common thing to happen - often nonreplicaple.

Give me a break, it's literally been years since I've seen one. Since the Windows XP beta, actually. I've had more kernel panics in Linux, several in the past year (2.6 kernel), by comparisons, and I've locked up MacOS X at work using Xcode as well, and I didn't use MacOS X that much.

A couple of network problems :

Starting outlook without network connection to the server choices are : "try again", "work offline", "help" - where the heck is "Abort" ?

Abort? Why would you want to abort when you just now launched the program? The obvious course of action would be to try again, when you've restored network connectivity. You can also Work Offline, then clock it a split second later...

Worse - you are connected to a network and have a pathfinder open - network disconnects - kill the pathfinder process because you get tired of waiting on it figures out the network is down : windows doesn't work properly after the kill - only solution is a reboot.

This is not true, on Windows XP it'll relaunch if it fails not responding. If you want to kill it otherwise, you can kill it manually and type CTRL-ALT-DEL, then go File->New and type "explorer".

VB. It's a trap that lures people to think they are programmers. It is easy to make programs, but they usually performs catastrophically when load goes up wether it's data or user increase. I've had the very unpleasant experience to take over such a program with answer times between 30 secs and timeout. After reprogramming some STANDARD metodics, response times went down under two seconds.

VB is one of the reasons Windows is as popular it is. It makes development for morons pretty easily, which is why I'm guessing you used it.

Real programmers use something a bit more advanced.

It's a testament to your competence if you're using VB - a scripting language - for something that needs performance.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Asher

Xbox 360 for me.

Although I won't be buying it anytime soon.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Asher

Yeah, that must make sense given my Google and Firefox-pimping threads.

The simple facts are you don't seem to comprehend the value of web services and online applications in the coming years. Google and, now Microsoft, do.

Virtually nothing makes sense in that post, especially your comments about development headaches on Windows and not on Linux. You've obviously never done serious development, nor do you have any understanding of why the Linux market is so empty of real, commercial applications. Hint: It has to do with the segmented market and the headaches involved with development across a non-standardized platform. Did you ever see my sig about getting Quake 3 to run on Linux?

Note: this comment was posted using Scientific Linux on an Opteron development workstation...

Haven't noticed those threads - maybe your MS pimping threads have made too much noise.

and you may be rigth that I never has done any serious dev, since I only works in a company that present all books shelved in libraries in denmark on the web. How could I consider such a system as serious or of some considerable size.

The fact that we also are making systems for libraries based on linux is of course also irellevant - just shows that we never has realized the power of MS based systems.

I really are a simple noob that doesn't know what I'm talking about after wasting 20 years of my life on it.

[Asher]

I really are a simple noob that doesn't know what I'm talking about after wasting 20 years of my life on it.

Apparently.

I smell your sarcasm, unfortunately I don't buy it. From what you've posted here I'd put you on the level of competence and understanding of a Jr. High programming geek, and that's about it.

You don't understand the importance of online applications -- instead thinking this has something to do with Linux -- and then you made a comment about development on Linux being less of a headache than on Windows.

To back up your arguments about MS quality you talked about BSODs (snore; old school) and VB (are you for real?)

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Whaleboy


If you are going to use Windows ME as an example, then I might as well use the 2.2.x linux kernel and early versions of Red Hat when discussing linux usability. In 4 years of running it, I have never had a BSOD in WindowsXP. Some applications have crashed, as have applications with my Slackware installation too.

Nah, I'm talking win 2000. Well, about linux I quite agree that the early versions wasn't that stable, but at that time we were so sane that we used Interactive, SCO, NCR and AIX - they didn't made kerlen panic that often - oh, the interactive had a peculiarity. Each 1,75 years it made a panic without reason - it was annoying, but we lived with reboting the mashine each 1.75 year.

Work offline? It's not exactly rocket science is it?

Glad to see that you entered my trap (oh, and Asher did the same) What if it was an error that I started the application ? Can I regret it ? No, I have to start in "work offline" and when it complains that I dont have an offline environment (wich I have to click Ok to) I get the chance to leave the program. It's a classic example of poor design of user interaction.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Asher
This is not true, on Windows XP it'll relaunch if it fails not responding. If you want to kill it otherwise, you can kill it manually and type CTRL-ALT-DEL, then go File->New and type "explorer".

I can do this at will at my win 2000.

VB is one of the reasons Windows is as popular it is. It makes development for morons pretty easily, which is why I'm guessing you used it.

Real programmers use something a bit more advanced.

It's a testament to your competence if you're using VB - a scripting language - for something that needs performance.

You dont read well - I said I took over such a program - meaning we got the source code from another company and I had the unpleasentness of making it work sensible without rewriting it from scratch.

And yes, there are more advanced languages such as c and c++ wich is my normal tools.

[Whaleboy]

What if it was an error that I started the application ? Can I regret it ? No, I have to start in "work offline" and when it complains that I dont have an offline environment (wich I have to click Ok to) I get the chance to leave the program. It's a classic example of poor design of user interaction.

So in that case you have to go through one more window than you probably could in order to get out of the application.

OMFG!!! The Windows interface is so terribly designed! It makes it impossible to use!

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to make my mouse scroll wheel work in Mandriva:

cd /etc/X11/XF86Config

vi XF86Config

"Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse1"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Buttons" "5" "
"