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  • #61
    Originally posted by Asher
    I didn't know you were talking about just the development tools.

    Even then, the vast majority of the developers would disagree with you. Visual Studio is hands-down the best IDE out there, most developers would agree.

    Actually, just yesterday, Dean Calver (who is a moderately famous game developer, and has published many books on it) made a blog post about having to use gcc and Linux-environments to develop for the PS3 versus using Windows and Visual C++ to develop for Xbox 360:

    http://rattie.demon.co.uk/?p=32




    But of course, you develop state-of-the-art Danish Library systems. You probably know all about the headaches of developing real software on all of the OSes.


    Somehow I really have the feeling that you are carrying the same hat as the guy in your avatar.

    I have never claimed that gdb is a superior tool, I actually prefers Solaris WorkShop .

    I really don't care if a lot of people which doesn't know anything else than windows might claim it's the best- not even if they are moderatedly known game developers - probably paid to say it.

    When you in five to ten years get the experience to make canadian state-of-the-art library systems, we can take up this discussion - until that you don't know what you are talking about.

    Oh, and just to "secure" the hat :
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    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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    • #62
      I really don't care if a lot of people which doesn't know anything else than windows might claim it's the best- not even if they are moderatedly known game developers - probably paid to say it.
      Oh yeah, I'm sure Microsoft paid him to say it. The only announced game his company is working on is called "Heavenly Sword", for the...Playstation 3. In fact, it's one of the demos Sony likes to show off for the PS3 all the time. They use Linux to develop PS3 games.

      When you in five to ten years get the experience to make canadian state-of-the-art library systems, we can take up this discussion - until that you don't know what you are talking about.
      I've done quite a bit of development work on Windows, Mac, and Linux...I know how it's done.

      You can use vi and gdb/gcc on Windows as well, for what it's worth. But people don't...because almost everyone will take Visual Studio over gcc/gdb/vi any day.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Asher
        I've done quite a bit of development work on Windows, Mac, and Linux...I know how it's done.

        You can use vi and gdb/gcc on Windows as well, for what it's worth. But people don't...because almost everyone will take Visual Studio over gcc/gdb/vi any day.
        I have visual studio installed on my pc and because of that I have to ignore my normal reactions. When SMAX occationally breaks down I get the question "program broken - clik ok for return to os - click cancel to start debugger" - that is so awful userinterface as can be made ! If you click cancel you ususally expect abortion of any kind of action.

        I realy don't know what kind of world you are living in. In my company we have several computer sceince people - both finished and students - and ALL of them has one thing in common : they don't use VisualStudio. I'm pretty sure that danish univerities doesn't differ very much from others, so your claim that "almost everyone will take Visual Studio over gcc/gdb/vi any day" doesn't make sense.
        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

        Steven Weinberg

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        • #64
          I don't know what kind of world you live in, but Visual Studio is the gold standard of development.

          It's painfully obvious you've never done any kind of serious software development or engineering if you honestly don't see the value in it. The main reason MS has the monopoly it does is the software for the platform, and the real reason all of the software started being developed for Windows is because MS makes good developer tools.

          Before they made OSes, MS made programming languages, compilers, and interpreters...

          And I'm not really sure that your company is representative of the real world. Even at IBM, Visual Studio is used on Windows/x86 for development, even though the target binaries are intended for Linux/Mac/AIX on PowerPC.

          If you want to do serious development, you need to use a serious IDE. vi/gdb/gcc are fine for toys, hobbies, and apparently library programs, but not for anything serious or large.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #65


            You really are on another planet.

            With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

            Steven Weinberg

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            • #66
              I'm starting to suspect you're just trolling here...

              There is just no way anyone can not recognize the importance and huge popularity of Visual Studio. And no way anyone can defend the use of vi and gdb over Visual Studio for anything serious...
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #67
                BlackCat: Don't bump this thread. Asher has been creating these advertising threads where he's "surprised" at the newest product of Microsoft for a while now. The only point is to create some buzz by keeping MS's name on the front page of OTF, it's sort of a creative form of spam.

                Bottom line: If you argue with Asher in a thread like this, you only help his spam.

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                • #68
                  I think it's a pretty significant event and a trend that other software makers will follow in time. I'm just sad so few people lack the insight or intelligence to see the importance of pushing traditional desktop apps to the web.

                  It has nothing to do with "advertising" (which makes no sense, considering these products aren't nearly done).

                  Simpletons.
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by BlackCat

                    The Blue screen of death is a quite common thing to happen - often nonreplicaple.
                    I haven't see a blue screen in years.
                    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                    • #70
                      One of the clever new tricks in XP is that only anti-MS zealots get the Blue Screen of Death. Us regular malcontents and ****ers get quite decent preformance (that's "heavenly bliss" in Apple language").

                      Asher:
                      Abort? Why would you want to abort when you just now launched the program? The obvious course of action would be to try again, when you've restored network connectivity. You can also Work Offline, then clock it a split second later...

                      The obvious reason would be if you can't do anything about network connectivity - alot people lack either the competence or the access to do it or both.

                      If the thing is sensibly designed, you can still kill it by hitting the X on the main window. Don't know if you can because I don't use the thing.


                      Re: Asher, I stand by my claim he's a Windows fanboi, but he's not actually an MS one.
                      Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                      It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                      The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                      • #71
                        Yeah, and a couple years ago some stupid kids who refused to get ICQ forced me to get into the while MSN business. I suppose this means I'll have to learn yet another stupid app.
                        Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                        It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                        The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Oerdin


                          I haven't see a blue screen in years.
                          My mom's Toshiba laptop is popping them up now, so I'm not sure what's happened there. OTOH, I had an HP desktop for 6 years or so without any serious problems, other than the spyware/adware mess.

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                          • #73
                            It has nothing to do with "advertising" (which makes no sense, considering these products aren't nearly done).
                            The products being unfinished hasn't stopped Microsoft from releasing them in the past. :???:
                            meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                            • #74
                              Re: "MSN" is dead; Long Live "Windows Live"

                              Originally posted by Asher
                              The new portal start page is online, currently only supporting IE: http://www.live.com/
                              live.com? But that's where the LIVE555 streaming libraries used to be hosted! Now I have to go to live555.com to get them .
                              This is Shireroth, and Giant Squid will brutally murder me if I ever remove this link from my signature | In the end it won't be love that saves us, it will be mathematics | So many people have this concept of God the Avenger. I see God as the ultimate sense of humor -- SlowwHand

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Verto

                                My mom's Toshiba laptop is popping them up now, so I'm not sure what's happened there. OTOH, I had an HP desktop for 6 years or so without any serious problems, other than the spyware/adware mess.
                                I haven't gotten spyware since I switched to Firefox either.
                                Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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