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  • "MSN" is dead; Long Live "Windows Live"

    Curious...MSN is being phased out. I'm a bit confused about what's going on, but there are going to be "Live" versions of Windows and Office.

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    Gates: We're entering 'live era' of software
    By Ina Fried
    Staff Writer, CNET News.com
    Published: November 1, 2005, 10:26 AM PST
    Last modified: November 1, 2005, 12:54 PM PST

    update SAN FRANCISCO--Kicking off what he called the "live era" of software, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates said on Tuesday that the company plans to launch new Internet-based complements to its core products.

    Gates said Microsoft is working on two products, "Windows Live" and "Office Live," that create opportunities for the company to sell online subscriptions and advertising. Both are targeted at smaller businesses and consumers.

    The products won't replace the company's ubiquitous operating system or productivity suite, and people don't need to have that software loaded to tap into the Web versions. "They are not required to use Windows or Office," Gates said at a press event here.
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    Gates announces Windows Live, Office Live
    Bill Gates, Chairman, Microsoft

    Gates said that Windows Live is a set of Internet-based personal services, such as e-mail, blogging and instant messaging. It will be primarily supported by advertising and be separate from the operating system itself. Office Live will come in both ad-based and subscription versions that augment the popular desktop productivity suite.

    "This advertising model has emerged as a very important thing," Gates said.

    But free products won't replace paid software. Many of the Live releases will have payment tiers, Gates said, with the lowest levels free and ad-supported, and higher-end versions paid for by the user.

    "We'll have licenses and subscriptions as well," Gates said. In many cases, companies will have a choice between running software on their own servers or as a Live service.

    Acknowledging potential antitrust concerns, Gates said that Windows Live is built off published APIs (application programming interfaces) that its rivals will also have access to.

    "It's a dramatic sea change," Gates said of the overall shift to online services. "The live phenomenon is not just about Microsoft. It's partners, it's competitors...the whole space is being transformed."

    Ray Ozzie, recently tapped to head Microsoft's services push, joined Gates in detailing the plan.

    Toe in the water
    The Internet-based services announcement was widely expected. But Microsoft has kept details of the plan tightly under wraps.

    Gates likened the services push to other major strategy shifts at Microsoft, including its December 1995 move toward the Web and a June 2000 commitment to Web services.

    The idea of an online adjunct to Office and Windows is not entirely new. The company already has its Office Online Web site that gets about 55 million unique users a month and offers items such like downloadable templates.

    And in years past, Microsoft has attempted to build online alternatives to Office. One widely rumored project, developed in the late 1990s under the code name "Netdocs", was never made available.

    One reason: Infighting between Office executives and Web advocates, according to sources at the time. David Smith, an analyst at Gartner, says that same tension still exists within Microsoft.

    "There are different factions within the company, like before, and it is unclear what the corporate strategy is going to be," Smith said.

    Windows comes online
    Microsoft Live will consist of new services as well as some products previously offered under the MSN brand. MSN.com will continue to exist as a site for "programmed" content. Windows Live will be more personalized, the company said.

    "It's easy. It's live, and it has 'me' at the center of the universe," said Blake Irving, a Microsoft vice president who was on stage to demonstrate Windows Live. However, the demo failed. "All of you guys that have done demos have been there," Irving joked.

    Blake resumed his demo a few minutes later. He showed how people could use a sidebar to subscribe to RSS feeds, load podcasts and enter search queries onto a personalized Windows Live home page.

    People will also be able to add non-Web items, such as a corporate SharePoint server or recently opened documents, to the Windows Live home page. Irving also presented the Windows Live Safety Center, a free tool that lets customers check on the health of their PC and scan for and remove viruses.

    Also included is an AJAX-based Windows Live mail client that connects to Hotmail or other addresses. The Web client resembles Microsoft's Outlook e-mail program and can warn people about Internet fraud phishing scams.

    There is also a Windows Live Messenger program that provides traditional instant messaging alongside some social networking features, such as the ability to view your circle of IM buddies. (Members have the right to say whether they want to be included in the viewable circle.)
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    In the demonstration, Irving showed how Windows Live Messenger offers the ability to make phone calls over the Internet, from a PC to a traditional phone.

    Also for those who opt in, Microsoft has a new live business card that updates contact information online and on a PC any time that the information changes.

    Some parts of the Windows Live software are in beta testing now, executives said. Others, like the new Messenger, should begin testing in December.

    In the Office
    The Office Live service is mostly targeted at small businesses, said Rajesh Jha, general manager of information worker services at Microsoft, who presented the demo of the service. He noted that 28 million of the world's 42 million businesses are companies with fewer than 10 employees.

    Jha showed how small businesses like these can use Office online to set up Web sites with custom domain names and multiple e-mail addresses--all free. Initially, these sites will not carry ads, but Microsoft sees the feature as a revenue opportunity and expects it to eventually be ad-supported.

    Another tool, called "Mojo," will enable a small group of users to work collaboratively on the same document--in the case of the demonstration, an Excel spreadsheet.

    "We're always on the same page," Jha said. "This real-time service is going to be free."

    He also showed some of the 22 applications that are part of the subscription service, including customer management tools and secure collaboration.

    Office Live will be in invitation-only beta testing in the first quarter of next year, Jha said. That beta will also be limited to the U.S., he added.

    More to come
    Tuesday's announcement is more of a placeholder for other initiatives to come, Smith said. "I think part of why people look at this and say it looks sketchy is because it is. But it's a step in direction that they have to go in," he said.

    Smith likened the announcement to Gates' Web call to action of a decade ago. "It's the beginning of a big change at the company that will take a long a time to see manifested in mainstream products," he said.

    In the meantime, the new products help Microsoft better compete with online rivals. Although the traditional software industry is very profitable and well understood, online advertising is an important opportunity, Ozzie said. He praised Google for demonstrating some of the possibilities.

    "Google is doing an amazing job of making that ad engine click on all eight cylinders," Ozzie said.

    But he said that the industry has barely scratched the surface, pointing out that the market for online advertising could grow from $15 billion now to $150 billion by 2015.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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    There is also a new interface for "Hotmail" online (now called Mail) that looks and acts like a desktop application.

    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #3
      It's just a futile attempt to fight off the spreading of Linux.
      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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      • #4


        It has more to do with Google and Yahoo than Linux...
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #5
          Also, MSN Messenger is being rebranded as "Windows Live Messenger" as of the upcoming 8.0 version. The butterfly is dead.









          It'll be the first Messenger to support offline messaging (ie, deliver messages when users next log in).
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #6
            That's slightly less fugly than the current Messenger.

            It'll be the first Messenger to support offline messaging (ie, deliver messages when users next log in).


            Didn't you argue that ICQ sucked because it had a feature like that? IM is supposed to be instant, anything else should be done by email?

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            • #7
              ICQ sucks because of its interface and client.

              I said offline messaging wasn't necessary because of email's integration. And that's still true. They're adding it because they can.

              And ICQ's offline messaging was unreliable in my experience.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Asher


                It has more to do with Google and Yahoo than Linux...
                Unless that I have misunderstood something, neither of those are MS based.
                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                Steven Weinberg

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                • #9
                  I think you're misunderstanding the basics here.

                  Google and Yahoo pushing web-based applications for the desktop, MS doesn't want to be left behind.

                  That's what "Windows Live" is about.

                  It has nothing to do with Linux, which frankly isn't even a blip on MS' radar for desktops. Google is the threat.
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #10
                    Sure, neither Google nor Yahoo use MS for their servers. However, neither of them push Linux as a solution for the end-user.

                    The reason why Microsoft is pushing forward the "Live" branding (perhaps an extension of XBox Live?) with these web applications is to combat Google's and Yahoo's web apps--which are platform independent.

                    Perhaps Windows Live and so on will eventually get there, but as of now, live.com only shows a search engine interface for those without IE.
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                    • #11
                      Incidentally, Live Mail, or whatever they call it, seems to just be a broader application of a lot of AJAX principles that they toyed around with for Outlook Web Access on Exchange 2003.
                      B♭3

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Asher
                        I think you're misunderstanding the basics here.

                        Google and Yahoo pushing web-based applications for the desktop, MS doesn't want to be left behind.

                        That's what "Windows Live" is about.

                        It has nothing to do with Linux, which frankly isn't even a blip on MS' radar for desktops. Google is the threat.
                        Nope. I quite understand the basics. They are going after non MS based systems because they are afraid that other OS systems may prove they are competitive.

                        If MS at least used their efforts to make a sane OS instead of that hopeless crap they have, I wouldn't mind if they also entered other markets.

                        I have written programs to MS/linux/unix for several years and there are no question - MS is the only OS that constantly gives headaches.
                        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                        Steven Weinberg

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                        • #13
                          ^ Most nonsensical post of the day. Right there. ^
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #14
                            I have blind faith in Asher with regards to all computer matters. However, even if I didn't, I would know that he's right and BlackCat is quite confused.
                            "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

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                            • #15
                              I'm not impressed.

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