Three teenage girls beheaded in Indonesia

[Kuciwalker]

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[The Mad Viking]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

"U.S. officials also worry about blah blah blahan Islamist state. blah blah blah contacts with al-Qaeda blah blah."

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It has occurred to you that nothing bad ever happens in an area of significant Muslim population without the above statement being applicable.

[The Mad Viking]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

"Has Indonesia supported the U.S.-led war on terrorism?
Neither openly nor fully.

Same as Canada. Is there a point here?

I was clearly referring to the authorities response to the murders.

[The Mad Viking]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
"And Slow, stop letting journalists get your knickers in a knot. All the article said was "Security experts" and "may have been"."

Pardon me?

And if it wasn't, who was it?

The most laughable part you all ignore.
The comment about "brothers and sisters".
That's truly funny.

Uh, that was me.

And to make it easier for you to respond, I'm a Canadian, but my parents are Danish, so I'm sort of a misplaced squarehead liberal *****, but I'm sure the author of "camel jockey" can come up with a better insult.

[Arrian]

Slow,

It seems to me that Imran's point was to pose a question of you: if you didn't think the President of Indonesia's statement was good enough, what should he have said or done?

And, man, "Camel Jockey?" That's the sort of thing drunk rednecks say in bad action movies... from the 80s.

-Arrian

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking


Same as Canada. Is there a point here?

I was clearly referring to the authorities response to the murders.

Fine. I dont share Slowwys discomfort with the Indon statement. I just didnt want the impression left that all is hunky dory with the Indon govt's approach to the Jihadis in their midst.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking


It has occurred to you that nothing bad ever happens in an area of significant Muslim population without the above statement being applicable.

there are indeed, problems with Jihadi extremists in many parts of the muslim world. Sulawesi happens to be one where jihadi extremism(in this case Laskar Jihad), with connections to Al Qaeesa, has taken the lead in a local muslim-christian conflict. How deep the local roots of the conflict are, Im not sure, and whether the conflict would be as bad there now, without Laskar Jihads activities, I cant presume to know.

[lord of the mark]

an old BBC story on laskar jihad

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia-pacific/770263.stm

"Tuesday, 20 June, 2000, 11:09 GMT 12:09 UK
Who are the Laskar Jihad?

The recent escalation of fighting in Indonesia's Moluccan Islands has been blamed on the arrival of more than 2,000 fighters from the Laskar Jihad.
The Laskar Jihad is a paramilitary organisation which has threatened to wage a holy war against the region's Christians.


The governor of the Moluccas has suggested allies of former president Suharto may be behind their infiltration into the islands.

The militants began pouring into the Moluccas in early May after receiving military training at a camp 2,500km away in Java, where the Laskar Jihad are based.

Their leader Jaffar Umar Thalib is believed to have close ties to the former regime of ex-dictator Suharto.

He has repeatedly warned his group will send 10,000 members to the islands to wage a jihad or holy war.

The security forces have failed to contain the fighting

Regional governor Saleh Latuconsina said it appeared the Laskar Jihad were "connected to some political elite'' because no one was stopping them travelling to the region.

And he told the French news agency AFP he believed the fighters could have been sent by people linked to Suharto loyalists.

Christian leaders have also repeatedly accused the security forces of turning a blind eye. Some people believe the military may even be arming them as well.

Violence

Religious fighting has claimed some 3,000 lives in both the Muslim and Christian communities since first erupting in January 1999.

But there had been a lull in the violence before the infiltration of the Laskar Jihad.

Violence erupted on the islands 18 months ago

The violence blew up again in the capital Ambon shortly after their arrival, leaving more than 30 dead.

Since then the jihad have been linked to several raids on Christian communities in the north of Halmahera island, in which at least 200 people have been killed and many more injured.

In each attack, the assailants swooped down from the sea and the mountains in pre-dawn raids.

Christian leaders said the attackers came in speed boats and were armed with military issue firearms.

Sociologist Tamrin Amal Tomagola said he understood the recent attacks had been carried out by jihad warriors from Java and South Sulawesi.

He also speculated that the unrest might be linked to the investigation of former president Suharto for alleged corruption and of army generals implicated in last year's violence in East Timor.

'Peaceful jihad'

Before their arrival in the Moluccas, the Laskar Jihad had accused President Abdurrahman Wahid of favouring the islands' Christians.

Soldiers in Ambon were told to shoot snipers during May's violence

However, there appears to be some confusion over what the volunteers intend by their holy war.

Their leader, Mr Jaffar, has said their mission is to forge a spiritual form of jihad through preaching, not fighting.

But he has also warned more ominously that the volunteers are prepared for "attacks by enemies".

Training

The warriors were trained at a military style camp at Munjul village near Bogor on Java.

Laskar Jihad set up the base on a seven-hectare plot of land belonging to an organisation called the Al Irsad Foundation.


But the minister of religious affairs ordered them to disband in mid-April because of their questionable intentions in the Moluccas.

The militants handed in nearly 500 weapons to police before heading for the organisation's headquarters near Yogyakarta, in central Java.

But Mr Jaffa insisted days later that they would still go ahead with plans to deploy 10,000 volunteers in the Moluccas.

He also said that he would be visiting countries "such as Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Jordan" to discuss the jihad.

Deceived

Mr Jaffa has said married volunteers will spend four months in the Moluccas, while those who are single will probably stay there for good.

However, there were reports last month that many volunteers were now seeking refuge and asking to be deported from Ambon.

According to a local official, they felt deceived by their leaders because they had been told they would be conducting humanitarian activities.

"It turns out that they were ordered to join the battle and many have sought help to go home," the official added.

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Man I had this thread cooled down, man, cooled down

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Arrian
Slow,

It seems to me that Imran's point was to pose a question of you: if you didn't think the President of Indonesia's statement was good enough, what should he have said or done?

And, man, "Camel Jockey?" That's the sort of thing drunk rednecks say in bad action movies... from the 80s.

-Arrian

I suppose if you joined the movie in the middle, you might think so.
Number 1, again, I said earlier that blanket hatred is ignorant.
Number 2, again, I didn't say that until Imran kept running his mouth, and challenging me about what he said. This after I had even said I like Imran fine.
Number 3, again, I pointed out at the time of the camel jockey statement that bigotry based on generalities was unacceptable.
Number 4, again, you can see by his reaction, and yours, that it's just as I said.

The point being, while he lost his head over the comment, these 3 poor teenagers literally lost their heads to masked men, who actually ARE bigoted.

I think it's clear who the rednecks are.
Masked men who kill teenage girls.
Keep making excuses for it though.
It's not Muslims. It's radical, out of control Muslims that put all their "brothers and sisters" at risk, to people willing to accept such generalities.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I suppose if you joined the movie in the middle

Even when he joins the movie in the middle, he has more sense of it than you who've been there since the beginning!!



Priceless. I think this should be archived.

[SlowwHand]

It's impossible for you to keep from being arrogant.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Especially when I'm right

[SlowwHand]

Just like the men in the masks were right.