Three teenage girls beheaded in Indonesia

[SlowwHand]

Point. I didn't say your name at all, but if you recognize yourself in the analogy, wallow in it.
Frankly, I have no expectations at all at this point.

Is my spelling suitable?

[lord of the mark]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Three teenage girls beheaded in Indonesia

Originally posted by Q Cubed


It's why they focus so much on white princess abductions (*coughHollowaycough*), or murders of women and children. Men, though they believe themselves to be enlightened, will still have that slight streak in them that wishes to protect those they perceive as "weaker". (A trait that I personally don't think is evil. Then again, being a guy, I wouldn't.)

Interestingly enough, the children murdered here were brown, not white, so I dont see why "white princess abductions" has anything to do with it. And yes, on average, women ARE physically weaker than men, less likely to commit acts of violence then men, etc. A terrorists killing teenage boys, horrible though that would be, COULD claim that theyre acting against potential enemy soldiers, or whatever. Even that shred of any excuse is not possible here (and yeah, I know the US, etc have female soldiers - but I dont think thats real common in Indonesia)

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
No, Imran. My opinion of Iraqi people has hit bottom.
If they don't want to step up and take charge of their destinies, that's fine.
To me, they got their 2nd chance when Hussein was found hiding under a rock.
Now leave. If they blow it again, tough ****. We tried.

I've said many times here and elsewhere, hate the radicals, not the faith.
Works both ways though.
To hate any people in mass because of a difference in belief or appearance or sexual orientation is wrong.
That's all that there is to that.

You may think high school youths are adults.
I have news for you, not so. KIDS.



All that said, some of you are worthless bastards.
That's not my problem though.
That's something you can deal with someday.

For the record (just in case), I have absolutely NO idea where this came from. Sometimes I think Slow hears voices in his head, one of them he calls "Imran" and has discussions with him and sometimes he writes those discussions down the forums when nothing I (ie, ACTUAL Imran) said even leads to the response.

Or Slow is so senile, he's totally lost any attempt at a train of thought .

[Q Classic]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Three teenage girls beheaded in Indonesia

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Interestingly enough, the children murdered here were brown, not white, so I dont see why "white princess abductions" has anything to do with it. And yes, on average, women ARE physically weaker than men, less likely to commit acts of violence then men, etc. A terrorists killing teenage boys, horrible though that would be, COULD claim that theyre acting against potential enemy soldiers, or whatever. Even that shred of any excuse is not possible here (and yeah, I know the US, etc have female soldiers - but I dont think thats real common in Indonesia)

Note that I gave one example, and then used the conjunction or. The reason I spoke of "white princess abductions" in the same breath is because, when you get right down to it, it's really the same type of story to the media--which is why it got airtime.

I'm not excusing it at all. Nor am I attempting to justify it. I'm just wondering, exactly, what I should be feeling about this, because my current less-than-anger-but-more-distant-oh-what-a-shame response seems to be making people like Sloww unhappy.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Point. I didn't say your name at all, but if you recognize yourself in the analogy, wallow in it.
Frankly, I have no expectations at all at this point.

Actually, the fact that I don't recognize anyone in your analogy is why I asked for clarification.

[The Mad Viking]

The young women in question were aged 16 to 19 according to Reuters, from an article I read in the National Post, (on paper) so no link.

I'm pretty sure this qualifies them as women in Indonesia, but that is another issue.

This sort of sectarian violence is as often based on differences of language and culture - which precede the imperial western religions reaching the sects in question.

That is there are historical conflicts that were present before missionaries converted one group to Islam and another to Christianity.

I would also not be surprised if this may have more to do with the sort of violence Marc Lepine inflicted on the 14 female engineering students in Montreal, than a "Muslims hate Christians" agenda.

Finally, I remain unsure what else should have been done or said by the authorities.

[lord of the mark]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Three teenage girls beheaded in Indonesia

Originally posted by Q Cubed


Note that I gave one example, and then used the conjunction or. The reason I spoke of "white princess abductions" in the same breath is because, when you get right down to it, it's really the same type of story to the media--which is why it got airtime.

I'm not excusing it at all. Nor am I attempting to justify it. I'm just wondering, exactly, what I should be feeling about this, because my current less-than-anger-but-more-distant-oh-what-a-shame response seems to be making people like Sloww unhappy.

I cant tell you what to feel. I can certainly say that one thing I DONT feel is a sense of the media blowing this out of proportion.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
This sort of sectarian violence is as often based on differences of language and culture - which precede the imperial western religions reaching the sects in question.

That is there are historical conflicts that were present before missionaries converted one group to Islam and another to Christianity.

I would also not be surprised if this may have more to do with the sort of violence Marc Lepine inflicted on the 14 female engineering students in Montreal, than a "Muslims hate Christians" agenda.

"U.S. officials also worry about Laskar Jihad, a violent group aiming to eliminate Christians from the Moluccas and Sulawesi Island and establish an Islamist state. After the October 2002 Bali bombing, Laskar Jihad announced it had disbanded. Its leader, Jaffar Umar Thalib, says he met Osama bin Laden while fighting in the Islamist brigades opposed to the 1979-89 Soviet occupation of Afghanistan but says he’s rejected al-Qaeda’s offers of funding. Some experts say that Laskar Jihad’s contacts with al-Qaeda are more extensive than Thalib admits, but no hard evidence has been found linking the two groups. "


http://www.terrorismanswers.org/havens/indonesia.html

[Q Classic]

I can certainly say that one thing I DONT feel is a sense of the media blowing this out of proportion.

I would tend to agree, as I'm not hearing it 24/7 on the different channels, and it is possible to go to the home pages of the news sites and not immediately see this story.

However, I'm trying to figure out why I should actually get my knickers in a twist and get all riled up, like Sloww seems to be.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
The young women in question were aged 16 to 19
Finally, I remain unsure what else should have been done or said by the authorities.

"Has Indonesia supported the U.S.-led war on terrorism?
Neither openly nor fully. Indonesia did not cooperate with the U.S.-led campaign in Afghanistan, and Megawati and other Indonesian leaders have criticized American military action there. Indonesia has also not clamped down on financial activities that the United States suspects may relate to al-Qaeda. Indonesian authorities did arrest Jaffar Umar Thalib, the leader of Laskar Jihad, in May 2002 for calling for attacks on Christians. But before the Bali bombing, Indonesia resisted pressure—from neighboring Malaysia and the Philippines, as well as from the United States—to arrest other Islamist militants, saying it lacked the evidence to detain them.

Experts say that obvious Indonesian cooperation with the United States might spark large-scale demonstrations that could undermine the current government, but some developments hint at some U.S.-Indonesian cooperation. "



http://www.terrorismanswers.org/have...esia2.html#Q10

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Why do people argue with Pekka?

It's fun.

[Kuciwalker]

It is? It strikes me as painfully boring. You actually have to read his posts.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
There has IIUC, been some pretty nasty sectarian violence in this region in the past, and manner of death would seem consistent with what some radical islamists have done elsewhere, so it seems unlikely that this is common murder.

If you are talking about Iraq, the usual method of operation is to show some hostages on TV before cutting their heads off. Otherwise, who gets terrorised?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
It is? It strikes me as painfully boring. You actually have to read his posts.

Only if they are really short, like a line or two.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


I've said many times here and elsewhere, hate the radicals, not the faith.
Works both ways though.
To hate any people in mass because of a difference in belief or appearance or sexual orientation is wrong.
That's all that there is to that.

I completely agree.